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re: Your mind will wrap itself in knots if you ponder the term 'African American'

Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:15 pm to
I know a white guy who was born and raised in South Africa and when he moved to the US as a teenager and then applied for colleges, he was told he couldn't put "African" or "African American" on his applications because he was the wrong color.

It would be comical if it weren't so insane. Liberalism is a mental illness.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:34 pm to
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It would be comical if it weren't so insane.
It's just a flawed term to use for a fundamentally flawed trait (race), which relies on arbitrary and reductionistic categorization.

But your example is not insane, since we all know the meaning, even if it's terribly flawed. Just like I'm technically a Native American, but I know that is not what the mean when the ask what my race is.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:38 pm to
First off I'd like to say that I'm flattered that you take up so much of your time thinking about us.

Then what will really put your mind in knots is how so many self-proclaimed non-racists take issue with "African American". There are at least a dozen of these posts started every year just at TD. Yet not one of these people have ever started a post and had a similar issue with "Asian American". Maybe you and your kind (that start and respond to these posts) just spend more of your time thinking about us. Again, I'm flattered from the attention.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:39 pm to
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Blacks are STILL enduring oppression in the mother land they claim to be so proud of that they went thru here 200 years ago. And it's at the hands of other blacks.


Is that racially based or tribal/class based ?
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:40 pm to
You should be embarrassed that this confuses you.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:40 pm to
Yes. Bracing myself for a troll here.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139831 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:41 pm to
Well, I can't now that you said yes. Wait, yes I can.


What is his name?

:rimshot:
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 2:42 pm
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:42 pm to
His name was "roadgator's mom." Dropped two digits.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:42 pm to
All the hyphenated terms are stupid, including 'European American.'

Asian American might have the best case though because we don't call them 'yellows'.

Indian Americans are different from American Indians, or are they?
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:43 pm to
I've explained all of this but you just wanna call it dumb I guess.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:43 pm to
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I'm not so sure about that. 100 years ago Irish immigrants were called Irish, not Irish-Americans. Or they were called worse. It's one reason European immigrants from that era tried to assimilate ASAP. There was quite a bit of bigotry aimed at immigrants. The sooner one assimilated, the better it was for that person


That says more about the bigoted Americans at that time than it does the immigrants.


Hmmm...eerily similar
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:44 pm to
I haven't read all the posts
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55439 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:45 pm to
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Asian American might have the best case though because we don't call them 'yellows'.



Yeah I can't say what I call them.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:47 pm to
Meh. You messed up the original joke anyway. Damn it.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
Member since Dec 2008
5687 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:48 pm to
Where I grew up it was very common for people to refer to themselves as Irish American, polish American, etc. Once during school kids were all saying what they "were" for some reason. It may have been part of the class but everybody was asking everybody else. Whatever. This was prior to African American being popular. What I remember is a white girl asking me what I was and then stopping saying "Oh wait. You're not anything you're just black". I knew that she didn't mean it like it sounded but it stung. So I kinda like the term African American.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:48 pm to
Sorry for being a savage.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:48 pm to
Easy, my man. James Baldwin said it best. "White Americans needs to ask themselves why they need to have the n***** in the first place." It's their invention. Blacks are men first. The obsession with race (their invention) is at times mind-boggling and worrisome. Why must t exist?

You cannot ask those that didn't not set these terms to ride the world of these terms.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139831 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:50 pm to
rid

The e at the end of ride makes the "i" long as in ice.

This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55439 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:52 pm to
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White Americans needs to ask themselves why they need to have the n***** in the first place.


Cheap labor
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
61228 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:53 pm to
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It's their invention.
What's our invention? Slavery?
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