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With Trumpcare sinking, perhaps Congress should adjust the ACA
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:08 pm
Any rational person can see that the ACA has needed adjustments since day 1 but the Republican Congress exacerbated the problems to push repeal. Now that repeal is slipping away, perhaps it is time to fix the law.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:11 pm to TBoy
Ummmm, if this bill can't get past the HFC, how in the frick can a milquetoast "adjustment" to the ACA get by?
Y'all don't have any power in either chamber and you think you have a right to dictate?
Y'all don't have any power in either chamber and you think you have a right to dictate?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:13 pm to TBoy
Could there be a situation where just a repeal of ACA occurs and the states themselves could figure out how to deal with healthcare?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:13 pm to TBoy
Dumbass. It's sinking because it's too much like the ACA.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:13 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Fixes would likely get some D votes so the HFC wouldn't necessarily be needed.
Depending of course on what those fixes were.
Depending of course on what those fixes were.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:16 pm to TBoy
A couple of things come to mind right away. We can approve sales across state lines and limit drug price markups. I'm sure there are other things that can be done right away without having to have one party or the other "dictate" the changes.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Ummmm, if this bill can't get past the HFC, how in the frick can a milquetoast "adjustment" to the ACA get by?
Coalition of Moderate Republicans and Moderate Democrats just cut the Freedom Caucus out entirely if they don't want to negotiate in good faith.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:19 pm to montanagator
This would require actual governing in a democratic republic.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:30 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Yes, very easily, but be prepared for thousands of snowflakes in the streets melting about how illegal immigrants from el salvador have a human right to the world's best healthcare free of charge.
Could there be a situation where just a repeal of ACA occurs and the states themselves could figure out how to deal with health
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:38 pm to TBoy
quote:
Any rational person can see that the ACA has needed adjustments since day 1 but the Republican Congress exacerbated the problems to push repeal. Now that repeal is slipping away, perhaps it is time to fix the law.
this vote will fail because, in fact, that's all it really was was a minor fixing of a few things with obamacare to make it better but not any form of repeal.
it was leaving most of obamacare in place, that's why conservatives wont vote for it. they weren't removing the entitlements and were still leaving the idea in place that the government needs to pay for healthcare for everyone who cant afford it.
we didn't vote for trump to fix obamacare we voted for him to set fire to it and go back to the way it used to be where free markets determined prices and you buy your own health insurance or you don't have it, period. as long as the government is paying for health providers to provide healthcare for millions of people, it wont bring prices down to affordable levels for regular folks to be able to afford to buy it.
all they should be doing is total repeal, lock, stock, and barrel, and then allow insurance companies to freely compete across state lines to set up country wide coverage plans and set up group coverage packages to make healthcare very affordable to all.
the republicans in control are bought and paid for by special interests who are getting filthy rich off of obamacare and don't want to repeal it despite what they say on TV. hell in the last group of negotiations they even added more free healthcare coverage for millions who don't want to pay for it or need it. that's why the numbers changed to cut the cost savings in half from original estimates of just over 250 billion in savings down to just around 150.
obamacare costs trillions yet what they are proposing will save 150 billion????????? that tells you just how little bit of nothing being changed with obamacare that this new bill represents
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:41 pm to airfernando
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Yes, very easily, but be prepared for thousands of snowflakes in the streets melting about how illegal immigrants from el salvador have a human right to the world's best healthcare free of charge.
Well blame the GOP and the POTUS. They could repeal and not replace but they value their seats over what you want, even though you voted for them.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:42 pm to TBoy
ACA just needs adjustments plain and simple.
But Repubs bitched non stop for 7 years and wanted repeal and replace on Trumps platform. The american people voted for the repeal and replace. Anything but repeal and replace is a failure.
But Repubs bitched non stop for 7 years and wanted repeal and replace on Trumps platform. The american people voted for the repeal and replace. Anything but repeal and replace is a failure.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:46 pm to Mudminnow
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ACA just needs adjustments plain and simple.
What adjustments?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:57 pm to LSUwag
That's right, let OBAMACARE collapse and continue to let the jug eared Muslim and his booty hole sniffers continue to own this abortion.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:04 pm to texashorn
The problem now is that Republicans demand that it be repealed and replaced with, according to Trump and others, "something better." However, they have no actual idea what they want the law to be.
All I'm suggesting is that since they can't agree on a complete rewrite of healthcare law, they should take the time to identify specific issues that need to be changed. Building adequate support for specific changes in the law would likely be easier to accomplish and might do the most good for everyone.
Does this kind of rationality even compute with today's Republicans?
All I'm suggesting is that since they can't agree on a complete rewrite of healthcare law, they should take the time to identify specific issues that need to be changed. Building adequate support for specific changes in the law would likely be easier to accomplish and might do the most good for everyone.
Does this kind of rationality even compute with today's Republicans?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:05 pm to LSUwag
"Nope. Let it collapse."
I have thought about this for awhile.
The Dems don't want O-Care messed with. They keep touting how it's BHO's signature achievement and are not admitting to it's many problems. They evidently refuse to work on keeping it from failing.
Any sane person can see it is doomed without major adjustments. The GOP, however, in it's ineptness, has neither the ability nor the brains to come up with an alternative.Bi-polar partisanship within it's ranks preclude a solution everyone can live with.
Other than an event that will never happen, such as both sides actually doing the "people's work", ie, FIXING it together, it is a matter of time until it is the smoking ruin of a train wreck, as was predicted when it was passed 7 years ago.
Knowing that neither party will help the other out of this mess, I ask:
1. How long will it take for collapse if Trump and the GOP walk away from any fix? What will happen at that point?
2. Not even going to ask who will catch the blame for it's failure, as I am sure it will be the GOP. The media will crucify them for it, even though the DEms rammed a disaster down our throats and havent tried since to alleviate their screw up.
3. Do you think there are enough people not totally committed to partisanship in Congress to get a fix done?
I doubt it, but interested in what y'all think.
I ask as a person with no political affiliation. I quit the GOP a couple years ago.
I have thought about this for awhile.
The Dems don't want O-Care messed with. They keep touting how it's BHO's signature achievement and are not admitting to it's many problems. They evidently refuse to work on keeping it from failing.
Any sane person can see it is doomed without major adjustments. The GOP, however, in it's ineptness, has neither the ability nor the brains to come up with an alternative.Bi-polar partisanship within it's ranks preclude a solution everyone can live with.
Other than an event that will never happen, such as both sides actually doing the "people's work", ie, FIXING it together, it is a matter of time until it is the smoking ruin of a train wreck, as was predicted when it was passed 7 years ago.
Knowing that neither party will help the other out of this mess, I ask:
1. How long will it take for collapse if Trump and the GOP walk away from any fix? What will happen at that point?
2. Not even going to ask who will catch the blame for it's failure, as I am sure it will be the GOP. The media will crucify them for it, even though the DEms rammed a disaster down our throats and havent tried since to alleviate their screw up.
3. Do you think there are enough people not totally committed to partisanship in Congress to get a fix done?
I doubt it, but interested in what y'all think.
I ask as a person with no political affiliation. I quit the GOP a couple years ago.
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