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re: Will Trump end up a more liberal president than Bill Clinton
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He's supported standard Dem positions on many of these in the past.
Well he's taken a lot of official action opposing them now so far as President.
I thought conservatives said that action speaks louder than words?
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He's supported standard Dem positions on many of these in the past.
So then detail them out and show me how he is currently aligning his policies, governing, and agenda with liberals on those issues today.
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Germmymandering used to be a DEM thing.
Then the Southern Strategy happened... There is nothing in Trump's platform that is anything but a canyon between where liberals are on this issue from Trump.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:10 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:Good post.
bonhoeffer45
But first and foremost, Trump is a doer. He is not going to sit on his hands while Congressional buffoons bumble along. He will continue to appoint conservative judges, and continue regulation reduction. If he cannot accomplish conservative elements of his legislative agenda due to GOPe incompetence/obstinance, he will certainly move to those areas Dems will get passed.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:14 pm to Revelator
Yeah, a liberal President would really put Gorsuch on the court, back out of the Paris climate accords, rescind DACA, institute a racist Muslim ban, try to lower tax rates to the rich, and attempt to repeal the ACA.
That is EXACTLY what Clinton was going to do.
You're a fricking moron.
That is EXACTLY what Clinton was going to do.
You're a fricking moron.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:20 pm to Raylan70
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Are there any real conservatives left in DC?
Yes, but they are kept out of key positions by the establishment.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:25 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Yes.
He's not a conservative. Which makes the left's melt over him doubly hilarious.
The Left's hate of the man baffles me to no end. If he hadn't literally been running against Socialists, it would have been more apparent. Almost every single one of his ideas is out of the 1990's era Democratic playbook.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:25 pm to BamaAtl
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Yeah, a liberal President would really put Gorsuch on the court, back out of the Paris climate accords, rescind DACA, institute a racist Muslim ban, try to lower tax rates to the rich, and attempt to repeal the ACA.
I believe Gorsuch was a good pick.
Paris Climate accords, he's already said he might revisit this.
DACA- he could simply be giving all of them real legal status. That's yet to be seen.
Muslim Ban- no such thing. Obama banned immigrants from the same countries.
Lowering tax cuts for the rich- Bith parties cater to Wallstreet and large corporations.
ACA- it's simply a bad law. Plus, he was going to keep preexisting conditions and was actually trying to expand coverage in some areas like Opiod addictions and childcare.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:30 pm to Revelator
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I believe Gorsuch was a good pick.
Liberals do not, for obvious reasons.
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Paris Climate accords, he's already said he might revisit this.
A liberal President would have never flirted with it, let alone announced he was pulling out.
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DACA- he could simply be giving all of them real legal status. That's yet to be seen.
A liberal President would not have thrown them into uncertainty on a whim, and would have clearly announced his intentions were they to make them legal in whole.
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Muslim Ban- no such thing.
That's what the President calls it, that's what the White House calls it. Because it isn't want you want it called doesn't change what it is or was intended to be.
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Lowering tax cuts for the rich- Its done by both parties.
It's the Bible of Republicans. It's almost never done by Democrats, usually only when part of a much more favorable package of other things.
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ACA- it's simply a bad law
Disagree, and repealing it and removing insurance access for >20M Americans is something no liberal President would have tried to do.
Your argument fails on every facet. Better luck next week, when you'll try it again.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:30 pm to Revelator
I don't care if he is. The point is, he's not Hillary and he's not the entrenched Republican establishment. He's right in the fricking middle where he needs to be. He's his own man and does what he wants in spite of his do-nothing congress.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:32 pm to BamaAtl
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Your argument fails on every facet. Better luck next week, when you'll try it again.
First off, there was never an arguement made on my part, but I simply proposed a question.
Secondly, only time will tell how Trump ends up being viewed.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:33 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Yes. He's not a conservative. Which makes the left's melt over him doubly hilarious.
Trump is basically the walking talking embodiment of the part of the Venn diagram where "conservative" and "liberal" labels fall the frick apart.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:36 pm to Revelator
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First off, there was never an arguement made on my part, but I simply proposed a question.
Entertaining that question as having any possible chance of being answered other than "absolutely not" in reality was your mistake.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:43 pm to Raylan70
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Are there any real conservatives left in DC?
Thomas Massie, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Justin Amash, hopefully, Austin Petersen
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:45 pm to Revelator
He's already ahead of Clinton when it comes to lying.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:48 pm to BamaAtl
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That's what the President calls it, that's what the White House calls it. Because it isn't want you want it called doesn't change what it is or was intended to be.
Link to Trump or the White House using the term Muslim Ban to officially reference the EO?
You are the one that wants it to be called a Muslim Ban so you can scream and cry racist over and over.
If it's a Muslim Ban it was the shittiest one of all time.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:54 pm to BamaAtl
quote:yes the reasons are obvious. You hate being constricted the constitution in you hate the founding of this nation. Your very existence is dedicated to destroying that Nation and rebuilding it in your stupid image
Liberals do not, for obvious reasons.
quote:the prior president left them in exactly that position for a substantial part of his administration. Are you even trying to have a brain?
liberal President would not have thrown them into uncertainty on a whim, and would have clearly announced his intentions were they to make them legal in whole.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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If the Congressional GOPe refuses to lead, Trump will work with members who are more capable. In that instance, infrastructure and Ivanka programs will take center-stage.
So what has Trump done to lead? Where was his health care plan, that was supposed to be cheaper, better, and provide more coverage than the ACA? With DACA, he told Congress to fix it, but he didn't tell them what he wanted to do, does he want DACA recipients to stay? or does he want them to stay? Where is the leadership?
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:56 pm to Revelator
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Will Trump end up a more liberal president than Bill Clinton
I think Bill Clinton and Trump will end up about on the same spectrum as Presidents. The difference will be that Bill had to move to the center because of a Republican Congress that actually worked. Trump has been more to the center all along while the media has tried to paint him as some sort of extremist. What's scary is how many people seem to buy that.
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