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re: Why Scientists and extremely smart people are usually socialist/leftist
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I work with many smart scientists and engineers in private industry and few are leftists. Most are very conservative. I really think the divide is between academia/government and private industry. The funding source is the driving force.
Now there are certainly some leftists in private industry -there are advantages for business when they can coerce the government to implement policies favoring their company.
Now there are certainly some leftists in private industry -there are advantages for business when they can coerce the government to implement policies favoring their company.
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Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:19 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
you overestimate how "smart" scientists are. how do you measure intelligence? pieces of paper on the wall or the ability to create a business and jobs from scratch?
also, btw, most engineers lean right.
also, btw, most engineers lean right.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well Crystallized Intelligence (i.e.,acquired knowledge) is one of the highest loading factors on G (i.e., overall IQ), along with Fluid Intelligence (i.e., problem-solving and reasoning) and Quantitative Reasoning. So he's not incorrect that a major component of intelligence is one's general knowledge. That being said, intelligence is what tests are attempting to measure, not the other way around as his wording seems to suggest.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:29 pm to buckeye_vol
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Crystallized Intelligence
sounds like a synonym for "total knowledge retained", which is something of a redefinition of intelligence. intelligence is supposed to be a representation of the ability to quickly and effectively gain new knowledge or solve/understand new problems.
an older person has a huge advantage in "crystallized intelligence", no?
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:30 pm to 90proofprofessional
quote:that is why IQ tests are curved by age
an older person has a huge advantage in "crystallized intelligence", no?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:32 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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that is why IQ tests are curved by age
'zactly.
crystallized intelligence = BS
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:35 pm to 90proofprofessional
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crystallized intelligence = BS
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:37 pm to imjustafatkid
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I don't think its possible to be extremely smart & leftist at the same time.
I would disagree vehemently.
The smartest people I have known typically have the most batshit crazy ideas.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:38 pm to LSUOilman
I don't think he's necessarily overestimating how smart scientists are; however, I think he is overestimating how many smart people gravitate to a certain political view. Sure we know Paul Krugman's political views as well as the post-modernists and constructivists in various disciplines that write these long essays that get published in Magazines. But we are probably mostly unaware of most scientists in the hard sciences working long hours in labs or those in the social sciences analyzing real-world applied data. They are trying to solve real problems rather and don't have time to publish abstract compositions without any evidence.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:39 pm to Sellecks Moustache
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It's because they're pretentious asses who think they know what is best for the people, even more so than the people themselves.
This
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:41 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:44 pm to EmperorGout
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EmperorGout
as a measure of intelligence, it is. sorry.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:44 pm to 90proofprofessional
Well IQ tests are norm-referenced by age groups. Besides in any IQ measure, a young adult would have any advantage over a child; it's not specific to general knowledge.
Besides although part of Crystallized intelligence is retention of knowledge, it also refers to vocabulary and verbal reasoning. But it's just one (albeit an important one) of a number of broad abilities that have been studied extensively and is a component of almost all (some nonverbal assessments aside) IQ tests.
Besides although part of Crystallized intelligence is retention of knowledge, it also refers to vocabulary and verbal reasoning. But it's just one (albeit an important one) of a number of broad abilities that have been studied extensively and is a component of almost all (some nonverbal assessments aside) IQ tests.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:It would be interesting to look at any basis of the OP presumption, assuming any exists.
Scientists and extremely smart people are usually socialist/leftist
If the distinction is private vs public sector or academic intellectuality, one could easily visualize the latter leaning left.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:51 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Not if age appropriate testing was properly used.
Besides in any IQ measure, a young adult would have any advantage over a child
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:56 pm to buckeye_vol
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Besides in any IQ measure, a young adult would have any advantage over a child; it's not specific to general knowledge.
Besides although part of Crystallized intelligence is retention of knowledge, it also refers to vocabulary and verbal reasoning.
As long as we're not saying that older=smarter.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:58 pm to NC_Tigah
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If the distinction is private vs public sector or academic intellectuality, one could easily visualize the latter leaning left.
That was my thought- sounded like he meant "academics". That's the only subset of very smart people where the ideological slant is very clear.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:01 pm to 90proofprofessional
This thread.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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Not if age appropriate testing was properly used.
That's what I was trying to say in that they are norm-referenced for that very reason. On any measure of IQ, if you look at raw scores, the 7-year-old with a 130 IQ would have fewer correct than a 25-year-old with a 100 IQ. It's just that the comparison to peers, and the age-based expectations, indicates that that the 7-year-old is well above expectations. Give that 7-year-old that test 18 years later (although there would be update versions), and the score should be much higher than that 25-year-old.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:07 pm to 90proofprofessional
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As long as we're not saying that older=smarter.
I'm just saying that the ability to acquire, and reason with, knowledge and vocabulary is important.
Anyways, most abilities begin to level off around adulthood. Abilities that require more immediate cognitive processing (speed, working-memory) tend to decrease with age more quickly than other abilities.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 10:09 pm
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