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re: Why is the country/this board so polarized?
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:00 pm to The Calvin
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:00 pm to The Calvin
quote:There is another side to that observation. Hence the OP question.
Obama bitchfest that it has become?
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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The media requires a receptive audience. It's the audience that is at fault.
So why is the audience so receptive?
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:03 pm to Pinecone Repair
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'm just tired of feeling stressed the hell out. Tired of lib-prog finger pointing at me and people like me.
So you feel you have to finger point back at them-serious question.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:03 pm to wfeliciana
I say look not at the speaker...look at the audience. They just give the people what they want, as always. But we are so "immediate" now, it has to be more pronounced to keep our microwave culture's attention.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:03 pm to wfeliciana
The Constitution was DESIGNED to CONSTRAIN the power of Government. As such, people could remain free to exploit their Natural/God-given abilities without fear of coercion (mob rule) from the group. Totally unique idea. Motivating...for them that are relatively gifted; a bane on them who aren't.
And that's it. The Group (called 'takers' on this forum) who believes that they have more to gain by surrendering personal freedoms in exchange for a 'spread the wealth around' (Socialist) form of government, has risen in electoral power to the degree that Democratic electoral "fundamental change" is now possible.
And them that love freedom, and believe that it is not only more just, practical and a God-given right...realize this electoral scenario, and it's effect on their life.
It's Marxism vs. Capitalism. Who gets what, how much and for doing what. Government-based charity/dispersement of the GNP...either based on 'need'...or merit.
The irony, and painful reality...is that BOTH economic ideologies have become CORRUPT to the core. Our own Capitalist (Rs) and Socialist (Ds) both take it to the bank. The 'insider trading' thing indicts all who are a part of it.
It's like the Hatfields and McCoys now, WF...in a shrinking economy (for various reasons) desperation, cries of injustice and corruption ring true...and the tribe is enraged...locked and loaded...and ready to fight for their just due.
"War in heaven (Absolute Philosophical moral high ground, re the sovereignty of the Self, as opposed to the Whole) and on Earth". (Biblical)
Humanity evolving. Mud on the wall. Big power, when we get over this hump.
And that's it. The Group (called 'takers' on this forum) who believes that they have more to gain by surrendering personal freedoms in exchange for a 'spread the wealth around' (Socialist) form of government, has risen in electoral power to the degree that Democratic electoral "fundamental change" is now possible.
And them that love freedom, and believe that it is not only more just, practical and a God-given right...realize this electoral scenario, and it's effect on their life.
It's Marxism vs. Capitalism. Who gets what, how much and for doing what. Government-based charity/dispersement of the GNP...either based on 'need'...or merit.
The irony, and painful reality...is that BOTH economic ideologies have become CORRUPT to the core. Our own Capitalist (Rs) and Socialist (Ds) both take it to the bank. The 'insider trading' thing indicts all who are a part of it.
It's like the Hatfields and McCoys now, WF...in a shrinking economy (for various reasons) desperation, cries of injustice and corruption ring true...and the tribe is enraged...locked and loaded...and ready to fight for their just due.
"War in heaven (Absolute Philosophical moral high ground, re the sovereignty of the Self, as opposed to the Whole) and on Earth". (Biblical)
Humanity evolving. Mud on the wall. Big power, when we get over this hump.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:04 pm to wfeliciana
This is not the only reason, but one of many.
The left has moved the goal post way left and the right has moved left. What used to be common conservative is now extreme right. There don't seem to be any blue dogs anymore...
The left has moved the goal post way left and the right has moved left. What used to be common conservative is now extreme right. There don't seem to be any blue dogs anymore...
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:06 pm to Jake88
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So why all the vitriol for Bush? If you think this is unique to this president and this era you are ignorant of history. But, by all means, keep relying on the crutch for the simple minded…cries of racism.
Jake, you're right in the sense that it isn't new with this president. But with Obama, don't you think with some people it is racism? Just like when we have a woman president, some will be based on sexism.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:07 pm to wfeliciana
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So you feel you have to finger point back at them-serious question.
Sure, when they are wrong. I do it to my side as well.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:09 pm to wfeliciana
quote:Our inept educational system enables it. There is far more interest, understanding and analysis of LeBron James' choice of venue than in AGW Theory, much less any impact of NSA/IRS/EPA scandals.
So why is the audience so receptive?
There is a foundational lack of intellectual curiosity. It is the product being turned out.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:12 pm to The Calvin
quote:I don't think you know what irony is. You are the one accusing people of being racist just because they do not agree with the man holding office and the OP wonders why this country/board is polarized.
Irony if i've ever seen it
quote:Where were you during the Bush years?
Do you not see the everyday conspiracy-esque shitshow that is this board and the yearly Obama bitchfest that it has become? It's sad, La Place Mike. Real sad.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:12 pm to wfeliciana
quote:It's the courtroom model. Each side spinning its case, knowing they are conveying an extreme of the 'truth', or worse.
So you feel you have to finger point back at them-serious question
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:12 pm to wfeliciana
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But with Obama, don't you think with some people it is racism? Just like when we have a woman president, some will be based on sexism.
Very little. The only people you could say it was about race would be those who held to democrat party beliefs prior to his election and now oppose his implementation of those beliefs. Unless, maybe, those previously held beliefs were based on youth or ignorance. Those of us on the right disliked his policies when they were Clinton's and Carter's policies as well.
He gets no more hate than Bush and, in fact, likely less. No one camps out at his private residence spewing anger towards him, few burn him in effigy, few put swastikas on his image, few march in protest screaming obscenities and threats as they did Bush.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:21 pm to NC_Tigah
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It's the courtroom model. Each side spinning its case, knowing they are conveying an extreme of the 'truth', or worse.
What I find different though is most lawyers know they are in a courtroom. They'll go at it tooth and nail, then when the trial is over have a drink together. They don't take it personally.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:23 pm to wfeliciana
quote:That's exactly what happens in DC with most of these politicians. It's theater and a game for them. It's comparable to Professional Wrestling.
They'll go at it tooth and nail, then when the trial is over have a drink together. They don't take it personally.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:24 pm to wfeliciana
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But with Obama, don't you think with some people it is racism?
Of course, for SOME.
But I can bear witness to White folk I've long known, who - because of interacting with many fine Black folk and having sports heroes who are Black - had pretty much ditched the racial stereotypes that are hurtful and societally pernicious. BUT...given the blatant on obvious highly publicized chip-on-the-shoulder ("the police acted stupidly", "if I had a son..." and Holder's racial Law policy) presidency of Obama with his race politics too........well...there are real doubts and real racism on the rise, that might be casually sluffed off as unjustifiably racist...but now have taken on a statistical and existential validity. Think Detroit. Think Trayvon. Think OJ.
Holder and Obama have stirred real racism in a lot of folk who had overcome, with their race politics. Ugly stuff. God only knows where it could go from here.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:26 pm to Jake88
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The only people you could say it was about race would be those who held to democrat party beliefs prior to his election and now oppose his implementation of those beliefs.
Not sure I follow that unless you are saying that not only are they hypocrites but also racist.
He may not get more hate than Bush but I've seen some awful things said about him, on this board and other places.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:28 pm to wfeliciana
quote:I don't mean this as an insult but you sound like you take things a bit too seriously. Why do you let what others say bother you so much?
He may not get more hate than Bush but I've seen some awful things said about him, on this board and other places.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:29 pm to La Place Mike
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That's exactly what happens in DC with most of these politicians. It's theater and a game for them. It's comparable to Professional Wrestling.
So is that why this board is so vitriolic and personal? It's just entertainment ? And I'm not being facetious with this question.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:32 pm to wfeliciana
Awful things?
ONOZ.
Adams on his Presidential election opponent Thomas Jefferson:
Douglas on Lincoln
ONOZ.
Adams on his Presidential election opponent Thomas Jefferson:
quote:
hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman
Douglas on Lincoln
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horrid-looking wretch, sooty and scoundrelly in aspect, a cross between the nutmeg dealer, the horse-swapper and the nightman.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:32 pm to wfeliciana
Everything politicians say or do is to serve the purpose of furthering their political careers. Statements like this are directed at their electoral bases and no one else.
By the way, has anyone posted pictures of the flag the astronauts planted on Mars, yet ?
By the way, has anyone posted pictures of the flag the astronauts planted on Mars, yet ?
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