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Posted on 8/2/19 at 10:01 pm to bmy
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A nationalist is one who thinks solely, or mainly, in terms of competitive prestige. He may be a positive or a negative nationalist — that is, he may use his mental energy either in boosting or in denigrating — but at any rate his thoughts always turn on victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations. He sees history, especially contemporary history, as the endless rise and decline of great power units, and every event that happens seems to him a demonstration that his own side is on the upgrade and some hated rival is on the downgrade. The nationalist does not go on the principle of simply ganging up with the strongest side. On the contrary, having picked his side, he persuades himself that it is the strongest, and is able to stick to his belief even when the facts are overwhelmingly against him. Nationalism is power-hunger tempered by self-deception. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but he is also — since he is conscious of serving something bigger than himself — unshakeably certain of being in the right... The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them. Just a few of Orwell's thoughts on nationalist scum
You left this part out from Orwell’s definition:
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Nationalism, in the extended sense in which I am using the word, includes such movements and tendencies as Communism, political Catholicism, Zionism, Antisemitism, Trotskyism and Pacifism. It does not necessarily mean loyalty to a government or a country, still less to one’s own country, and it is not even strictly necessary that the units in which it deals should actually exist
Straw-man fallacy. Try again. The content and tenor of this thread speaks to patriotism, not nationalism: shame on you for trying to conflate the two.
Orwell definition of patriotism:
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devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one … has no wish to force on other people.”
Your subterfuge lays bare your wickedness for all to see - a soul black and plagued.
Do you love this country or not? Are you proud to live in this country or not? Answer, or let your silence answer for you.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 10:05 pm to troyt37
Call it whatever you want. The reason behind our global dominance doesnt matter. The fact is we control the world and intervene whenever it benefits us.
If a government has enough power to do that, it has more than enough to tax or regulate the economy in a way to force us to pay for things we dont want.
You and me already pay for useless studies and other pet projects that have very little relevance to the average American. Have you ever seen a budget breakdown on American budget?
If a government has enough power to do that, it has more than enough to tax or regulate the economy in a way to force us to pay for things we dont want.
You and me already pay for useless studies and other pet projects that have very little relevance to the average American. Have you ever seen a budget breakdown on American budget?
Posted on 8/2/19 at 10:10 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Lichtenstein > America
Liechtensteiners are very proud of their national identity and would take offense at being wrongly labelled as Swiss/German
Bmy probably thinks they're scum, too.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 10:12 pm to Warfox
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Nationalism, in the extended sense in which I am using the word, includes such movements and tendencies as Communism, political Catholicism, Zionism, Antisemitism, Trotskyism and Pacifism. It does not necessarily mean loyalty to a government or a country, still less to one’s own country, and it is not even strictly necessary that the units in which it deals should actually exist
This doesnt disprove their post with regards to nationalism. Orwell is stating that it can include communism. Its not saying it must be communist.
In the same line it says political Catholism and Zionism. Those two are very prevalent in right wing American politicals.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 10:12 pm to WhyMan
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Why is being proud of the USA bad?
That question is racist.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:12 pm to volod
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The only thing the United States leads the world in is military power and fat people.
By every other metric, there is a country better than the US at something.
We also have the most Nobel Prize winners in Chemistry, Physics, Economics, and Physiology/Medicine (you know, the categories that improve Quality of Life). We have at least twice as many as the next country. But that doesn't fit the narrative.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:15 pm to volod
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The reason behind our global dominance doesnt matter.
I wish you would make up your mind. You previously implied that we controlled the world because we prioritized that control over the health and well being of the people. Sounded like you thought it mattered to me.
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If a government has enough power to do that, it has more than enough to tax or regulate the economy in a way to force us to pay for things we dont want.
Maybe, but common sense and the rule of law dictates that Americans will not stand for abuse of power at the level of Obamacare.
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You and me already pay for useless studies and other pet projects that have very little relevance to the average American. Have you ever seen a budget breakdown on American budget?
Which is why we either start actually applying Constitutional restraint on the federal government, or it won’t happen until after the collapse. Your party is the one who reeesists those Constitutional restraints for all they are worth.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:21 pm to germandawg
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You realize there is more to Europe than the EU, correct??
You thought no one would call you on your LIES, GERMANDAWG? Oh my... You are a stupid fricker arent you.
What "europe" united GDP do you refer to if not the european union? Because otherwise.... financially they aint united, retard.
Lets play.
Hey, how about also further subtract Britain from that amount (which i didnt do)? Watch it plummet further.
You are a grease spot on my driveway. Fertilizer in my yard.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 5:19 am to volod
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This doesnt disprove their post with regards to nationalism. Orwell is stating that it can include communism. Its not saying it must be communist. In the same line it says political Catholism and Zionism. Those two are very prevalent in right wing American politicals.
Again, the OP are obviously talking of PATRIOTISM. Your delusions are not reality. And btw, political Catholicism and Zionism are not “very prevalent” in right wing politics. That’s like saying support for Antifa is “very prevalent” in left wing politics. It does have its supporters, but not in mainstream left-leaning America. If you want to argue extremes, that’s fine, but be specific because because Orwell’s definition of nationalism could apply to extremes on both sides.
There are crazies on both ends of the political spectrum, and it is shamefully disingenuous to paint with such a broad brush. But obviously that’s your intention.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 5:25 am to Warfox
That was a great post.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 5:26 am to WhyMan
I can only add to this by saying, God Bless America!
Posted on 8/3/19 at 5:26 am to Warfox
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There are crazies on both ends of the political spectrum, and it is shamefully disingenuous to paint with such a broad brush
mostly though, you can use a detail brush with conservatives.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 5:27 am to volod
Neither of the religious ideologies you mention are right wing. Try again.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 9:47 am to DeusVultMachina
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You thought no one would call you on your LIES, GERMANDAWG? Oh my... You are a stupid fricker arent you. What "europe" united GDP do you refer to if not the european union? Because otherwise.... financially they aint united, retard. Lets play. Hey, how about also further subtract Britain from that amount (which i didnt do)? Watch it plummet further. You are a grease spot on my driveway. Fertilizer in my yard.
So you don't realize there is a substantial difference between the words "Europe" and "European Union"? You also are unable to realize I didn't posit that the EU GDP was larger than the US because the OP asked why we would care what Europe thought of us...not what the EU thought of us.
Why would you take Britain out of the mix? Britain may or may not leave the EU but they can't leave Europe.
Look, I get it....you read something that didn't sound exactly right, did a quick google search and found that what you thought you had read wasn't correct...and in typical discussion forum style immediately started calling me names...and then when I point out that you had made a mistake you doubled down on it and continued the personal attacks.....because you aren't capable of formulating a response based on facts because you know the facts aren't on your side...I would bet you have searched, now, for the GDP of Europe and not the EU and have found that I was, indeed, correct. I know you ain't man enough to admit it but everyone knows what you've done here....and now a "grease spot on your driveway" (whatever the frick that is supposed to mean LOL...) has corrected you a second time...
Posted on 8/3/19 at 11:44 am to WhyMan
.....it all swirls around the racist ranting. The current Republic (as in the U.S. Constituton) is seen as a white supremacist dominated institution. But the racist ranting is just a smokescreen to hide what the radicals really are trying to do, which is move the country towards a socialist quasi-marxist utopia. You see these radicals referring to the U. S. Constitution as a " living document" which needs to change as the times change. Some even talk of eliminating the U. S. Constitution altogether. Remember to these far-left radicals the Constituion is just writing on a sheet of parchment. A document drafted by a bunch of old white guys of European origin.
IMO that is why this country will not survive as it is presently structured. Fact is the democrats are moving towards a far more radical socialist ideology. It remains to be seen if the electorate will embrace this radical socialist ideology. I have little hope the Republicans (or SCOTUS) will be able to halt the decline. I'm thinking the radical democrats will simply keep moving the ideological center of this country to the left and the RINO's will just keep trying to compromise. You know "why can't we all just get along" kind of thing.
The 2020 Presidental election should give us a clear indication where this country is going. We'll see.
e pluribus unum
IMO that is why this country will not survive as it is presently structured. Fact is the democrats are moving towards a far more radical socialist ideology. It remains to be seen if the electorate will embrace this radical socialist ideology. I have little hope the Republicans (or SCOTUS) will be able to halt the decline. I'm thinking the radical democrats will simply keep moving the ideological center of this country to the left and the RINO's will just keep trying to compromise. You know "why can't we all just get along" kind of thing.
The 2020 Presidental election should give us a clear indication where this country is going. We'll see.
e pluribus unum
This post was edited on 8/3/19 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 8/3/19 at 11:58 am to Warfox
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There are crazies on both ends of the political spectrum, and it is shamefully disingenuous to paint with such a broad brush. But obviously that’s your intention.
its current dogma on td that anyone not fellating trump is a commie.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 12:06 pm to WhyMan
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I'm telling you now 2020 will be a landslide for Trump.
tell us how many electoral votes.
Define landslide.
I know its early but since you are "telling me now", do it with numbers.
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