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Why is Alec Baldwin responsible for murder?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:11 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:11 am
Seems like there should have never been loaded gun on set
Sure he is a douche but don't see how this is his fault
Sure he is a douche but don't see how this is his fault
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 11:32 am
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:13 am to thelawnwranglers
Because you treat every firearm as if it is loaded at all times and you never point a firearm at someone and pull the trigger.
Stop being stupid. Is it murder? Maybe. Depends on if he had a motive and intent. At the least it's manslaughter.
Stop being stupid. Is it murder? Maybe. Depends on if he had a motive and intent. At the least it's manslaughter.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:15 am to BoarEd
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Because you treat every firearm as if it is loaded at all times and you never point a firearm at someone and pull the trigger.
Sure but also you would think rule one no real bullets on set
Hell no real guns
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:16 am to thelawnwranglers
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Sure but also you would think rule one no real bullets on set
Hell no real guns
He and the set armorer both should already be in jail.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:18 am to BoarEd
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He and the set armorer both should already be in jail.
Big assumption
There is no reason to have real bullets
Armour is definitely gross negligence - seems like manslaughter
Alex is a douche
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:18 am to thelawnwranglers
His name is Alec. And he is more than a douche. He is guilty of manslaughter.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:20 am to BoarEd
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He is guilty of manslaughter.
With the DA in LA, he will probably wind up only getting 48 hours of community service.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:26 am to BigD45
Wouldn't surprise me. But wait, didn't this happen in New Mexico?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:28 am to thelawnwranglers
quote:
Seems like there should have never been loaded gun on set
Sure he is a douche but don't see how this is his fault
Because he pointed a gun at a woman and purposefully pulled the trigger. Murder? Maybe, maybe not. Negligent homicide? Absolutely.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:29 am to thelawnwranglers
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Why is Alec Baldwin responsible for murder?
1. Someone was shot and killed.
2. The person who pointed the loaded gun at the deceased and pulled the trigger, firing the killing bullet into their body, was Alec Baldwin.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 12:33 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:30 am to thelawnwranglers
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Sure he is a douche but don't see how this is his fault
Trigger Pull...
Other than that your Honor...
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:46 am to thelawnwranglers
Because he pulled the trigger. Also, because it was his set.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:47 am to thelawnwranglers
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Sure but also you would think rule one no real bullets on set Hell no real guns
Alec Baldwin did not agree with you. He wanted a real gun AND pulled the trigger. He did not even bother to verify whether or not there was live rounds in the weapon.
Guilty as frick.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:49 am to thelawnwranglers
He cut corners on safety to pinch pennies and ended up killing someone by his own hand. Just because he pretends that guns are evil it doesn’t excuse him from being responsible when he’s using one.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:50 am to thelawnwranglers
He pointed the gun and lied and said he didn't pull the trigger although it was proven he did. I think he was being a smart azz and pulled the trigger when he wasn't suppose to and someone died. So, that makes him at least guilty of manslaughter or in this instance womanslaughter.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:53 am to thelawnwranglers
Who said anything about murder? It’s manslaughter as defined by the law. Even in Los Angeles where this will be tried so he gets a friendly jury.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:55 am to thelawnwranglers
There’s criminal intent, and then there’s criminal negligence. The first would be specifically intending the consequence of death by shooting that gun. Criminal negligence would be acting in such a dangerously careless manner that one eithef knew or should have known that a death could by way of his actions. Intent carries the stiffest of penalties, while negligence has a pretty wide ranging penalty but on the lower end.
I could see negligent homicide being the case, but definitely not intentional murder, unless some wild and unlikely new evidence crops up.
I could see negligent homicide being the case, but definitely not intentional murder, unless some wild and unlikely new evidence crops up.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 12:57 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:03 am to Saint Alfonzo
quote:That isn't exactly the case... he didn't intentionally point it at her. He pointed it at a camera, and she was set up beyond the camera at a workstation, in the line of fire, as I understand it.
Because he pointed a gun at a woman and purposefully pulled the trigger. Murder? Maybe, maybe not. Negligent homicide? Absolutely.
*as I recall, the shot went through a computer monitor from behind, and hit her, as she was looking at the monitor.
Manslaughter, gross negligence, nobody following any safety protocols (and since he is also the producer, a lot of what he will get tagged with will be because of that).
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:08 am to thelawnwranglers
it is his fault because George Clooney and others have said it is known on every movie set to check the gun before you pull the trigger.
it is his fault because it was said that they all knew and shot with live ammo in the back of the set. but as I said other actors have said it is a cardinal law to check the weapon before.
it is his fault because it was said that they all knew and shot with live ammo in the back of the set. but as I said other actors have said it is a cardinal law to check the weapon before.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:21 am to thelawnwranglers
They apparently don’t have a negligent homicide law in New Mexico, but they have involuntary manslaughter, a 4th degree felony.
Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
There is also this odd law, “excusable homicide”.
New Mexico Statutes 30-2-5. Excusable homicide
Homicide is excusable in the following cases:
A. when committed by accident or misfortune in doing any lawful act, by lawful means, with usual and ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent; or
B. when committed by accident or misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or upon a sudden combat, if no undue advantage is taken, nor any dangerous weapon used and the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner.
Assuming he had no intent to shoot them, the decision to charge will hang on whether he exhibited “due caution” or “ordinary caution”. Did he check the gun? Does the ordinary person or actor know the difference between blank rounds and live rounds? Should he have pulled the trigger in the direction of the actors /the camera(which is possibly what the scene called for)? Did he aim the gun at them and mean to fire blanks for effect or bc he was mad at them?
Not exactly clear cut.
Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
There is also this odd law, “excusable homicide”.
New Mexico Statutes 30-2-5. Excusable homicide
Homicide is excusable in the following cases:
A. when committed by accident or misfortune in doing any lawful act, by lawful means, with usual and ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent; or
B. when committed by accident or misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or upon a sudden combat, if no undue advantage is taken, nor any dangerous weapon used and the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner.
Assuming he had no intent to shoot them, the decision to charge will hang on whether he exhibited “due caution” or “ordinary caution”. Did he check the gun? Does the ordinary person or actor know the difference between blank rounds and live rounds? Should he have pulled the trigger in the direction of the actors /the camera(which is possibly what the scene called for)? Did he aim the gun at them and mean to fire blanks for effect or bc he was mad at them?
Not exactly clear cut.
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