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Why do we think differently about guns than we do immigrants/refugees?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:37 pm
So the argument regarding increased gun restrictions is that criminals are gonna criminal and get guns anyway and a few innocent lives will be lost at the hands of someone who shouldn't possess a gun, but why limit the rights of us law abiding citizens?
Why is that same thought process not applied to immigrants and refugees? Sure, we vet as good as we can, and there is no doubt that process can be improved, but we let them in because we are a country that welcomes those that are being attacked for their religious or political beliefs. Sure a few criminals are gonna criminal and maybe a few innocent lives may be lost but hey, that's the price you pay for being a welcoming country.
Why is that same thought process not applied to immigrants and refugees? Sure, we vet as good as we can, and there is no doubt that process can be improved, but we let them in because we are a country that welcomes those that are being attacked for their religious or political beliefs. Sure a few criminals are gonna criminal and maybe a few innocent lives may be lost but hey, that's the price you pay for being a welcoming country.
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:38 pm to Theboot32
Ones in the constitution the other isn't.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:38 pm to Theboot32
There are millions of guns. This isn't even comparable
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:39 pm to Theboot32
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because we are a country that welcomes those that are being attacked for their religious or political beliefs
Who says?
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So the argument regarding increased gun restrictions is that criminals are gonna criminal and get guns anyway and a few innocent lives will be lost at the hands of someone who shouldn't possess a gun, but why limit the rights of us law abiding citizens?
Who says?
Leftists make our communities less safe and just generally destroy them and then tell us we shouldn't be able to defend ourselves or even really talk about why's happening.
Grow up, OP
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:40 pm to texag7
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There are millions of guns.
there are millions of refugees and immigrants...
why are they not comparable?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:40 pm to Theboot32
Guns protect the rights of citizens for their troubles.
Immigrants provide cheap labor and take jobs away from citizens for their troubles.
Also, constitution.
Ctr pls go
Immigrants provide cheap labor and take jobs away from citizens for their troubles.
Also, constitution.
Ctr pls go
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:40 pm to Theboot32
Is this really real life....I feel at least 25% dumber after reading this.
ETA No seriously it is very scary that there are people in the country that actually think this way....amazing.
ETA No seriously it is very scary that there are people in the country that actually think this way....amazing.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:41 pm to Theboot32
There are more guns than people in this country.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:41 pm to Theboot32
Point me to the part of the Constitution where is grants a right for everyone in the world to enter the United States. I'll wait.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:42 pm to Theboot32
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there are millions of refugees and immigrants...
why are they not comparable?
To answer your logically flawed question straight up, there's little we can do to stop bad people from having guns while there is plenty we can do to stop immigrants coming here.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:42 pm to Theboot32
Because guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:43 pm to Tiguar
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Immigrants provide cheap labor and take jobs away from citizens for their troubles.
i thought this whole thing was based off of safety? im only talking about the safety of the american people, not about the economic impact
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:43 pm to Theboot32
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Why is that same thought process not applied to immigrants and refugees?
Do non-citizens have constitutionally protected rights?
Look, I think the biggest difference is that most countries of the world outside of maybe those in Europe don't want immigrants of any sort. How many Syrian refuges has Japan let into their country? Let alone becoming a citizen in some nations. In a lot of places, it may be flat out impossible unless you are a brain surgeon or you are married to a natural born citizen of that nation.
There has to be a reason for this right? I believe the #1 reason is that the government understands that it has a hard enough time taking care of those that are born here. The country cannot open its borders and let person after person flow into the country, living off of the government.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:44 pm to uway
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there's little we can do to stop bad people from having guns while there is plenty we can do to stop immigrants coming here
fair enough, good answer
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:44 pm to Theboot32
Well, there's the pesky little thing called the 2nd Amendment of the constitution for starters....
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:46 pm to BulldogXero
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Do non-citizens have constitutionally protected rights?
no they dont, which i completely agree with, i have never stated that this was a violation of the constitution at all. I'm actually for this "ban" currently, although i think it was enacted poorly.
but i wasnt asking from a constitutionality stand point, just a general thought process.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:48 pm to Scanlon Shorthalt
I just don't understand why everyone is so scared of these guys, didnt know there were so many pussies around here that were scared of a few skinny arse arabs.
frick it, let em in, they get out of line, shoot em, deport em, whatever
frick it, let em in, they get out of line, shoot em, deport em, whatever
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:48 pm to Theboot32
How many guns go around killing people all on their on because a magic man in the sky told them to? If you knew for certain that 3 refugees of 10,000 would kill 20 Americans in an attack would you be ok with it?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:49 pm to Theboot32
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but i wasnt asking from a constitutionality stand point, just a general thought process.
The government doesn't owe anything to non-citizens. That is the point.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 12:50 pm to gizmothepug
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If you knew for certain that 3 refugees of 10,000 would kill 20 Americans in an attack would you be ok with it?
well thats a fricking stupid comparison, if you knew that a gun you bought would wind up in the wrong hands 20 years down the line would you not buy it?
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