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re: Why did none of our great progressive thinkers here decry confederate statues?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:07 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:07 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
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but there has been opposition (ranging from political vandalism to organized calls for their removal, esp. Liberty Place) to the monuments since the 1990s.
That's the only one I can recall seeing any discussion at all about prior to the Charleston shootings deal (which coincided with Mitch's making it his cause celebre).
I think it was moved as some sort of compromise in the 90s, wasn't it?
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:11 pm to Tigerdev
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So you are asking why the 3 or 4 liberals you had here prior to the election didn't spam the board
Nope. Just wondering why long time posters who seem to be posting with glee about this event never made a peep about the issue prior to Mitch making it one of it.
I guess since I've only gotten mostly smartass retorts it means there's no good reason other than some people only like to glum on to issues de jure when they become contrived issues de jure.
Congrats, I guess.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:28 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I can't believe how much some of you are melting over this. A great many of the posters wetting themselves over these statues I have seen in other threads hating on New Orleans in general. How many of you people crying over this actually live in and pay taxes in the city of New Orleans?
If you live in Jefferson Parish, Baton Rouge, North Shore or anywhere in the world that isn't within the boundaries of Orleans Parish then you just know you have absolutely zero recourse other than to whine about something that doesn't even impact you.
For those complaining that live in Orleans Parish fine...but just know that the local government is respecting the wishes of the people of New Orleans at large.
Last I checked Trump and the Republicans aren't exactly trying to compromise with people who didn't support them in the election.
If you live in Jefferson Parish, Baton Rouge, North Shore or anywhere in the world that isn't within the boundaries of Orleans Parish then you just know you have absolutely zero recourse other than to whine about something that doesn't even impact you.
For those complaining that live in Orleans Parish fine...but just know that the local government is respecting the wishes of the people of New Orleans at large.
Last I checked Trump and the Republicans aren't exactly trying to compromise with people who didn't support them in the election.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:29 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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That's the only one I can recall seeing any discussion at all about prior to the Charleston shootings deal (which coincided with Mitch's making it his cause celebre).
I think it was moved as some sort of compromise in the 90s, wasn't it?
Yeah, as early as the 60s or 70s the City Council was looking into ways of changing the language of the plaque on the memorial to make it less racist. Then it got moved from Canal Street (right around where the casino is now) to some weird spot in between the Canal Place parking garage and the Aquarium. You really had to seek it out to find it, but there were rallies there where David Duke showed up and there is that iconic image of Avery Alexander getting choked out by the NOPD.
As a History major at UNO, me and some of my friends would seek out spots like that. I remember breaking into the Piazza D'Italia in the late 90s after it had fallen into disrepair - we just wanted to see a famous example of postmodern architecture and were surprised it had gone to shite. I think it's back up, and there's a hotel there now.
Anyway, Liberty Monument's been the one that has garnered the most controversy and has been the object of the most opposition. Vandalism to the others has mostly been ad hoc, or more political in tone coming on the heels of police shootings. I'd also looked into efforts to restore the statues after they were vandalized and oddly enough, it's usually locals who live in the neighborhoods who aren't in favor of the statues but don't want them marked up or defaced. So not any sympathy of the "Lost Cause" of the Confederacy or white supremacy. Just a kind of "keep up the neighborhood" thing. Only in New Orleans I guess : )
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:30 pm to Tigerdev
Should I send you a copy of my tax bill? 
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
so long as the magic kingdom never takes away splash mountain I'm good
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:34 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I am talking about the board at large. The Poli board as a whole has not been very pro NOLA generally. Talking to people, I get the impression most of the posters here from the area live in Metaire, Kenner, Westbank or North Shore...The standard white flight zones. Perhaps if they had stayed in the city they could have voted for someone that fits their viewpoint. I am tired of folks peeking over the fence from the suburbs to influence New Orleans. If people don't live here then they can shut the frick up about this. My .02 cents.
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:35 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I guess since I've only gotten mostly smartass retorts it means there's no good reason other than some people only like to glum on to issues de jure when they become contrived issues de jure
Gotta love that fake outrage these liberals have toward the statues.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:36 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Why do you care so much about some confederate statues in a parish you probably don't live in?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:36 pm to Tigerdev
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I am talking about the board at large. The Poli board as a whole has not been very pro NOLA generally. Talking to people, I get the impression most of the posters here from the area live in Metaire, Kenner, Westbank or North Shore...The standard white flight zones. Perhaps if they had stayed in the city they could have voted for someone that fits their viewpoint. I am tired of folks peeking over the fence from the suburbs to influence New Orleans. If people don't live here then they can shut the frick up about this. My .02 cents
You might have a good point if they left because of racism, but they left because they didn't want to get shot and they wanted better schools than they were getting in N. O.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:36 pm to DirtyMike
I guess I need to make multiple copies.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:40 pm to Tigerdev
The removal of history affects everyone in America.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:41 pm to tigersbh
quote:They didn't just move to safer NOLA neighborhoods. They moved as far away as they could while still being able to commute to work.
You might have a good point if they left because of racism, but they left because they didn't want to get shot and they wanted better schools than they were getting in N. O.
Those folks did more to harm New Orleans than any of this statue bullshite ever will. Suburban workers that commute into the city are moving capital and OUT of the city. We certainly don't give a shite about their opinion on matters of how we run NOLA.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:43 pm to cajunangelle
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The removal of history affects everyone in America.
So with the removal of the statues, the Civil War never happened. Got it.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:45 pm to Tigerdev
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3 or 4 liberals you had here prior to the election
There were a lot more than 3 or 4.
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:48 pm to Tigerdev
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They didn't just move to safer NOLA neighborhoods. They moved as far away as they could while still being able to commute to work. Those folks did more to harm New Orleans than any of this statue bullshite ever will. Suburban workers that commute into the city are moving capital and OUT of the city. We certainly don't give a shite about their opinion on matters of how we run NOLA.
That's fine. I was just disputing your racism implication.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:52 pm to tigersbh
quote:Fair play. There are many who had no such motives. There are many who did.
That's fine. I was just disputing your racism implication.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:56 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Every so-called seceded state sent units to fight for the Union with the exception of South Carolina.
South Carolina was just weird back in the 1800s, Jackson wanted to and/or joked about hanging their Congressional Delegation in the 1830s.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:57 pm to cajunangelle
quote:I hear the plan is to display them at a more appropriate location where their historical context will be highlighted.
The removal of history
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:59 pm to Tigerdev
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their historical context will be highlighted.
The only real historical context they had to me (or I guess that mattered to me) was as public monuments of the late 19th/early 20th century era.
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