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re: Why aren't more conservatives in education?

Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:06 am to
Posted by Pinecone Repair
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:06 am to
It's a hostile environment for conservatives.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:07 am to
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I think it's more to do with the American culture. Men are expected to fend for themselves at a much earlier age than females. A 21yr old male living at home with his parents is looked down upon in America---this forces men to find work early to try and live up to the social norms of America--which in turn means bypassing college most times or going to college part time.

this argument would only make sense if women, historically, dominated men in college/post-grad education

they haven't and only have created that gap once feminization programs were implemented starting in the 60s/70s
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:08 am to
Bc teaching sucks dick
Posted by The_Duke
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:09 am to
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Yeah right, you've obviously never set foot on a college campus if you believe t


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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:09 am to
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Graduate school is the only place where you get into the more nuanced Socratic discussion where your thoughts prevail more so than a right or wrong answer.

if you're in an undergrad social science program, you are pre-judged, often harshly, based on politics

i went to a conservative (for a univeristy) school in LSU and the conservatives in my poli sci class were openly mocked (note: i was a huge liberal at the time). that was 15 years ago, and the world has gone insane since then
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 10:10 am
Posted by anc
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:14 am to
College professor weighing in.

There are more than you think. But the problem is that the liberals in academia are so loud that people fear for their livelihood if they take a stand. That guy at Yale last year that basically said college is for learning and exposing yourself to new ideas got forced out.

When I was working on my doctorate at LSU, the department head I was under was ultra liberal. However, the head of my dissertation committee was a female professor that was a staunch conservative. I had other professors that either did not make it known, or I could tell in the commenting that they leaned conservative.

But when I took classes under the department head, I knew I had to slant my analysis left or my grades would suffer. I told myself I would never do that to my students and I haven't - and I have had some students left of Marx.

If you are speaking of K-12 education, then those are educrats. They might be conservative when it comes to social issues and things non-education, but if you dare change education funding, they are as vicious as the pussy hat wearers.

Also in K-12, it is female dominated. I ran the numbers on my children. When they started kindergarten, based on the personnel when they started, they had a greater than 80% chance of never having a male teacher. I suspect that is common for most parents on this board.

This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 10:18 am
Posted by anc
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:20 am to
Here is the real data for higher education in Louisiana

LINK

Its really not terrible money - especially when you factor in the workload and the fact that most college professors have some consulting or research work on the side.
Posted by The_Duke
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:22 am to
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if you're in an undergrad social science program, you are pre-judged, often harshly, based on politics


Social science, ok--but most ppl aren't going to college for those.

princetonreview

Only two social sceicnes are on that list for most pouplar majors.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:25 am to
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Only two social sceicnes are on that list for most pouplar majors.


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We compiled this list of best college majors based on research covering job prospects, alumni salaries, and popularity.


good job
good effort
Posted by The_Duke
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:29 am to
I had other sources but thought this one was more credible. Hard looking up stuff on the crapper.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:30 am to
Most popular majors

10. HISTORY
9. ENGLISH LANGUAGE AND LITERATURE
8. LIBERAL ARTS AND SCIENCES, GENERAL STUDIES AND HUMANITIES
6. CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND CORRECTIONS
5. TEACHER EDUCATION AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFIC LEVELS AND METHODS
2. GENERAL PSYCHOLOGY

and that's with 8 covering probably like 10 different majors itself


here's another one

Georgetown's top 20 most popular majors. breaks down the general majors a bit more

5. Psychology
6. Communications and mass media
7. Marketing and marketing research
8. General education
9. Elementary education
10. English language and literature
13. Criminal justice and fire protection
15. Political science and government
16. Economics (it's considered a social science/art in many unis)
18. History
19. Liberal arts
20. Sociology

Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:31 am to
They have ambition.
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:34 am to
reading, learning cursive and arithmetic is enough.

Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:55 am to
Oh Otto. You are so silly.
Posted by Numberwang
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:57 am to
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What is the reason for this?




The same reason you don't see many skilled, intelligent people on city council. The people with ability, intelligence and work-ethic are out making real money.
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:58 am to
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Doesn't pay well enough...at any level.

Within 3 years of graduating college, I made more than my professors.

Why would anyone with a decent skillset/knowledge-base - and the confidence to get a good job - take that kind of money? Especially given that professors have paid for a PhD.


That's one of the big problems with our education system. If you look at top-performing education systems such as Finland, teaching is a highly respected and prestigious profession similar to the way doctors, lawyers and engineers are. At the University of Helsinki in Finland, less than 7% of those who applied to be primary school (elementary school) teachers were accepted into their teaching program. That's a lower acceptance rate than the 10% acceptance rate for their schools of law and medicine. We need to find a way to make teaching a glamorous profession that attracts the brightest and best like other countries with top-performing education systems.
Posted by Porker Face
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:00 am to
Because once you learn a thing or two, you tend to become a Democrat
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:01 am to
There are. They just arent as pushy about their beliefs
Posted by Spaulding Smails
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:06 am to
ITT: lots of generalizations
Posted by Vastmind
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:10 pm to
They like making lots of money
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