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re: Why are guns a right in the Constitution but not affordable housing?

Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:06 am to
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52951 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:06 am to
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Im just worried about the future homeless that shoot up schools :(


You know why the overwhelming majority of homeless are homeless? DRUGS

You know why the homeless situation is at pandemic levels especially in liberal cities? DEMOCRATS.

You retarded leftists try to say, "well we just need to adopt the European model of treating drug addicts". Well, that's exactly what the left has done, except for 1 small detail. You retards on the left have no form of punishment for abusing treatment. In Europe, the reason they have a successful rate of drug treatment and an open-ish drug society is 1) population size 2) they treat the addicts, but if the addicts abuse....THEY GO TO frickING JAIL. What is happening in all Democrat cities (San Fransisco, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, New York) is they allow for free treatment but if they abuse again, they just give them more treatment. There is literally no penalty for abusing the system.



Read this book or if reading is too hard for you, he was on Rogan's podcast a couple years ago. He has worked with the homeless nearly his entire life and got fed up with the left's idea of drug treatment.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22670 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:06 am to
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There are debates surrounding if guns or abortion should be rights but no one is rallying to end homelessness constitutionally. Why is that? Don’t give me shite like the government doesn’t care, citizens can make the government care. Don’t give me administration vs. administration, the housing crisis includes everyone.


Because it didn’t include the right to housing when it was written? This is one dumb fricking question
Posted by doverstutts
Member since Jul 2017
1070 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:07 am to
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homelessness constitutionally.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
14524 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:08 am to
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Im just worried about the future homeless that shoot up schools :(


We’re concerned with greater things. Like keeping DNA similar to yours from reproducing
Posted by 225life
Member since Feb 2018
59 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:08 am to
This was NOT about attacking the second amendment at all. This was about possibly making another amendment for housing. You dont think its weird that gun violence is out of control in America, yet we reserve the rights for crazies (potentially) homeless people to have them. Simply a comparison
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
85890 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:10 am to
What is the one thing most important to anyone?

The answer is Self-Preservation

The 2nd gives every US citizen, whether they like it or not, the ability to protect their own life.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22670 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:12 am to
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This was NOT about attacking the second amendment at all. This was about possibly making another amendment for housing. You dont think its weird that gun violence is out of control in America, yet we reserve the rights for crazies (potentially) homeless people to have them. Simply a comparison


I think homeless people have a right to self defense like all people. I think the term “affordable” is meaningless in a national context and that we certainly shouldn’t create an amendment around it.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
3023 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:13 am to
The government never bought any of my firearms.

They also never bought any of my houses.

That Free Will is a motherfricker if you choose badly. But the Constitution also grants you the Right to do that too.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21987 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:13 am to
Housing is affordable to people who live productive lives

There isn’t a housing crisis anywhere much lesson the US
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52951 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:13 am to
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You dont think its weird that gun violence is out of control in America,


It's not. For you to state guns are the problem, then you would have to show proof of every gun in America and how many criminal acts they are used for. You also will need to show how said gun was acquired, whether it be legally or illegally.

You want to take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens because less than .0001% of the population commits crime with them? Why don't you examine crime statistics? Rather than punish the entirety of America, maybe you should start smaller and look at the demographic of people who commit the overwhelming majority of violent crime? I wonder why you haven't brought that "idea" to this board???
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89677 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:13 am to
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This was about possibly making another amendment for housing.


How on Earth are we going to "guarantee" housing? You do know that a significant portion of the homeless filling up all these impromptu "campsites" in major cities are there because they refuse treatment for their mental illness/substance abuse, don't you? You do understand there are HUNDREDS of anti-poverty programs in this country that take BILLIONS from the productive class and give it to the *ahem* other category of folks, don't you?

You seem passionate about housing. You should either get into the house building trades or work for one of the many, many, many government anti-poverty programs and do something about it. Bitching about it here is just going to draw fire.

Especially with your perception that "housing" should be a right on par with the right of self-defense. You have the "right" to be a useless, unproductive bump. Don't expect me to pay for that and be happy about it.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 8:15 am
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
9449 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:14 am to
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225life

I'm curious. When you have 100 people telling you that you're an idiot, do you:

A.) Question yourself, whether maybe you actually are stupid.

B.) Assume everyone else is a moron and there's no way that you could be dumb.

I want to understand how your brain works.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
10530 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:14 am to
Most all countries absolutely have mass killings. Media not doesn’t necessarily cover. Lots of those murdered are done by bombs
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162269 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:15 am to
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Why are guns a right in the Constitution but not affordable housing?

Didn't know we got free guns
Posted by Kingshakabooboo
Member since Nov 2012
707 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:15 am to
I heard it explained this way once and it makes it very understandable.

A “Right” can not require the forced work, servitude, or financial impact on another person.

For example: Your right to free speech doesn’t force another person to pay for it. Same thing with my right to own firearms.

Now do right to affordable housing (or food, or healthcare). If a home is being provided to you, who paid to build it? My tax dollars. And if we start giving out more affordable homes then I’m going to have to pay even more in taxes.

Your “Right” cannot impose burden upon me.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52951 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:16 am to
LINK

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“We’re literally paying people in the form of cash welfare, housing, and other services to live in tents on the street, use hard drugs, defecate publicly, and commit crimes,” says Michael Shellenberger, author of “San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin Cities.”

In this episode, he breaks down the root causes behind the sprawling homeless encampments found in cities like San Francisco.

Even the word “homeless” itself is a propaganda word, Shellenberger says. “It suggests that the underlying problem is lack of housing, expensive rents, or poverty. And that’s not the case.”

The term “homeless” lumps together two groups that are radically different. But it’s irresponsible to conflate mothers escaping abusive husbands, or people who are just going through some hard times, with people who are mentally ill, or drug-addicted, or both, Shellenberger says.

Fundamentally, a victim ideology guides how progressives deal with homelessness. And this ideology refuses to demand even a modicum of accountability from so-called victims, Shellenberger argues, even when they’re engaging in self-destructive behaviors that could be deadly.


LINK

Twitter link to video if reading is a chore for you

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A homeless San Francisco man said during an interview with author Michael Shellenberger that the city pays him to be homeless and boasted about having a cell phone with Amazon Prime and Netflix in a video posted Wednesday to Twitter.

“If you’re gonna be homeless, it’s pretty frickin’ easy here” the homeless man, named James, said to Shellenberger during their interview. “I mean if we’re gonna be realistic, they pay you to be homeless here” he continued.


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“When you said that San Francisco pays people to be homeless, what did you mean by that? Did you mean that literally?” Shellenberger asked.

“I get $620 a month, dude,” James replied.


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Shellenberger pressed James on how hard it was to receive general public assistance.

“A frickin’ phone call, bro. A frickin’ phone call. $200 food stamps and $620 cash every month. Forget about it. Why wouldn’t I do it, you know? It’s frickin’ free money, dude. This right now is literally by choice. Literally by choice. Like, why would I want to pay rent? I’m not doing shite. I got a fricking cell phone that I have Amazon Prime and Netflix on,” James replied.


THIS IS DIRECTLY DUE TO 225life's voting patterns.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 8:17 am
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29782 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:16 am to
You have the intellect and critical thinking skills of a grade schooler.

Seriously, you’re fricking stupid.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
14187 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:17 am to
The Constitution is merely a framework for our governance and a limitation on governmental power. Everything else is supposed to be handled by statute.....within the framework of the Constitution. Even if we decide that housing IS the government's responsibility, it would be the responsibility of state and local governments, not the FedGov.
Posted by Densla
Member since Jul 2021
22 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:17 am to
Well said!
Posted by 225life
Member since Feb 2018
59 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:18 am to
I couldn’t care less if you attack me, im asking what the fine people of tiger droppings have to say. This is a personal attack fallacy of someone you do not know. However, thanks for clearly up my question on homelessness in America! Agree or disagree, understand or not understand my question, maybe taken out of context, youre a fellow American.
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