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re: Who is Nina Pham? -- Ebola Puts Conscientious Nurse In The Spotlight
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:21 pm to FT
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:21 pm to FT
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Sorry, can you prove that she did? Really? Then don't talk about it on TV.
It's called logic.
If one does not get Ebola following protocol and gets Ebola then the fact that she got Ebola means she didn't follow protocol.
You're not calling her "unprofessional" nor are you defaming her. If she accidentally rubbed her eye that's not following protocol but it's not being unprofessional. You're sounding like Glenn Beck.
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If she came to you with this case, you'd take it and make my argument for me.
I would say what I just said.
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Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:21 pm to KCT
quote:I only allow my temperature to be taken orally.
Tell ya what. I'll transition into full CDC mode and MONITOR you
Behave yourself.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:22 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:You don't think future employers are going to see it that way?
You're not calling her "unprofessional" nor are you defaming her.
You're saying she allowed a "breach".
ETA: And since when am I arguing she should win or that she has a case? Go back and read my first post.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:22 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Can you link me to these people who are war on women proponents who blamed her lack of accountability and professional Responsibilty.
People I work with, comments I read yesterday in multiple news sites after the CDC head made his speech, threads in here.
I'm not looking that up. You know it's true.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:24 pm to Scruffy
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Damn. Can't even have a simple discussion without getting worked up, huh? You might want to watch that blood pressure.
Worked up? It's a joke.
Geez, tough crowd.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:26 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Ah the infamous "people I work with" and "multiple news sites" response.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:28 pm to idlewatcher
quote:Antivirals may or may not help.
The vaccines are preventative, but what about after you contract it?
Too early to tell as of yet.
Transfusion of serum antibodies (Blood from Ebola survivors) is the best bet at present. In past outbreaks (i.e., 1995), transfusing IgG EBO antibodies increased survival ~ 6.5-fold. Fatality rates were reduced to ~ 12%. Those numbers would probably be better now, and certainly would be better in US Facilities.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:28 pm to Vegas Bengal
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If one does not get Ebola following protocol and gets Ebola then the fact that she got Ebola means she didn't follow protocol.
The issue with his comments:
1. They are in extremely poor taste to blame the victim.
2. Protocols are unknown and largely untested-that's common sense. The general public (multiple polls) question the Fed's leadership in this unique situation. Their reassurances to this point have been wrong. People are pissed/worried because she should have been protected. If she can get it under those circumstances, it stand to reason that almost anyone can if exposed to the general public.
3. Arrogantly inferring that these apparent protocols would have guaranteed it's prevention is ridiculous. Perhaps the protocols were insufficient?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:29 pm to FT
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You don't think future employers are going to see it that way? You're saying she allowed a "breach".
If I accidentally touch my eye and get pink eye, I have not followed proper protocol. That doesn't make me a bad person.
Ok news is on. I have to see how this disease that's now killed two people on 6 continents will be the end of civilization.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:30 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:All of y'all need to quit messing with my head. I never know when people are serious or joking.
Worked up? It's a joke.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:31 pm to Vegas Bengal
Meh, don't care. You know it's true. Victim blamer.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:32 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
If you get Ebola even when following protocol every person coming in contact with a person with Ebola would have Ebola. Stop being a drama queen and making up polls and fictitious people. Go watch the news and turn off rush.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:37 pm to Radiojones
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I truly hope and pray that she recovers. She risked her life to try to save another - a hero in my book.
Well said.
My Sister is a nurse and she gives an incredible amount of care and compassion to her patients.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:40 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
If you get Ebola even when following protocol every person coming in contact with a person with Ebola would have Ebola.
We don't know the extent of the situation. That's why this nurse getting it is a big deal. You don't know a damn thing definitively and either do it.
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Stop being a drama queen and making up polls and fictitious people. Go watch the news and turn off rush.
10/6 Americans confident in Government's ability to handle Ebola
10/14 Americans are concerned about Ebola, and many of them are unsatisfied with President Barack Obama's response, according to a new poll.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:42 pm to Vegas Bengal
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If health care professionals follow protocol they will not get the disease.
If a health care professional gets the disease, she didn't follow protocol.
So you believe she was accused of not doing her job properly and thus was defamed and is entitled to damages.
And you think I'm a shitty lawyer? Well you're a shitty leaper because you've taken some quantum leaps here sponge boy.
Seriously though, the devil's in the details. The details in this case reside in the protocol itself.
A protocol is only as good as its design.
Say, for example, the protocol requires a physical skill reliably learned after 100 repetitions, but need for those reps is not specified by protocol authors. The person(s) trusting in the protocol, and employing it meticulously, might still not enjoy success. In that instance, the problem is with protocol design, rather than with the individuals using it.
I strongly suspect, based on what I know and what I've seen in this instance, there are significant flaws in the CDC's suggested protocols. I can tell you without question, certain elements are rudimentarily flawed.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:48 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
quote:Ebola does not care about "poor taste".
They are in extremely poor taste to blame the victim
These issue here is not really about blame. It is about occurrence and cause.
The breathtaking stupidity of Frieden's "she broke protocol" statement is it presumed facts not in evidence. Presumptions stated as fact are neither scientific, nor appropriate for someone in Frieden's position.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:10 pm to NC_Tigah
Let's use deductive reasoning... 78 doctors and nurses treated Duncan and followed the same protocol. One person got sick.
Now any normal thinking human being wold deduce that the protocol worked for 77 doctors and nurses so that must mean the one nurse who got sick did not follow protocol.
Or we can believe that the Holy Ghost came down and infected her.
You choose what's the most likely.
Now any normal thinking human being wold deduce that the protocol worked for 77 doctors and nurses so that must mean the one nurse who got sick did not follow protocol.
Or we can believe that the Holy Ghost came down and infected her.
You choose what's the most likely.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:11 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
quote:We know very definitively that protocol was breached in at least two specific ways. There are likely more.
You don't know a damn thing definitively
And the protocols have been studied. These aren't some rules that an intern cobbled together.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:20 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:Bad assumption. She was involved in direct patient contact. It is extremely likely only a small minority of those 78 had anywhere near the exposure that Pham did.
78 doctors and nurses treated Duncan and followed the same protocol
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:25 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Please do tell.
We know very definitively that protocol was breached in at least two specific ways.
I assume you're not referring to intubation and dialysis as contributory.
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