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re: Who helped Edward Snowden in Hong Kong?
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:55 am to Rohan2Reed
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:55 am to Rohan2Reed
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Saw this the other day. If it's not transparent by now that Snowden isn't the liberty-defending patriot his fanboys make him out to be then I don't know what more evidence his supporters need to question his motives.
The word "more" in your post implies there has been any evidence produced. This article reports that Snowden spent 11 days off the grid in HK before checking into the hotel, and that his HK lawyer says arrangements were made through an already-known acquaintance. Does that constitute "evidence," in your mind? Of what? Him being a Chinese sleeper because everyone in Hong Kong works for Chinese intelligence? A Russian sleeper because the WSJ has been pushing the Russian angle for months and found every excuse to say "Russia" a lot in the story? This is some weak shite. Even if he was helped by Mother Teresa, he would have every reason to obfuscate about that help because the NSA is a fricking spy agency and he leaked all of their stuff.
EDIT: Wow such a hot scoop from the WSJ! NYT, a fricking year ago:
quote:So this article is 100% recycled material, designed solely to keep churning Snowden's name next to Russia in the press while "just asking questions." Good job, good effort.
Mr. Snowden, who just turned 30, came to Hong Kong from Honolulu without a well-thought-out plan, while overestimating how free he would be to move around Hong Kong after his disclosures and underestimating the public attention he would receive, Mr. Ho added.
“I really think he’s a kid, I think he never anticipated this would be such a big matter in Hong Kong,” Mr. Ho said.
When Mr. Snowden came to Hong Kong from Hawaii in late May, he looked up a person whom he had met on a previous vacation here. That person, whom Mr. Ho declined to identify but described as a well-connected Hong Kong resident, became Mr. Snowden’s “carer.” Mr. Snowden accepted an invitation to stay in the home of one of that person’s friends when he checked out of the Mira Hotel on June 10, and the individual put him in touch with two local lawyers.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 1:09 am
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 1:21 am to Iosh
So you attack the purported bias of reporting instead of my claim that his motives are suspect? You still have yet to address 3 key points:
1 / Snowden chose to flee to Russia (a noted enemy of American interests) instead of any of the dozens of other countries which are easier to get to that have non-extradition treaties w/ the U.S.
2 / the fact that a majority of the information he stole from government databases has nothing to do with NSA / government spying on innocent American civilians.
3 / his choosing the self-aggrandizing, anti-American "journalist" Glenn Greenwald to be his official spokesman.
1 / Snowden chose to flee to Russia (a noted enemy of American interests) instead of any of the dozens of other countries which are easier to get to that have non-extradition treaties w/ the U.S.
2 / the fact that a majority of the information he stole from government databases has nothing to do with NSA / government spying on innocent American civilians.
3 / his choosing the self-aggrandizing, anti-American "journalist" Glenn Greenwald to be his official spokesman.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 1:28 am to Rohan2Reed
A question that I have yet seen to be asked is how or why, did a low-level, private sector employee have access to such high-level secrets?
I have read that there are tens of thousands of people in and out of the US government who high-level security clearance creditials.
Why is this?
I have read that there are tens of thousands of people in and out of the US government who high-level security clearance creditials.
Why is this?
Posted on 7/4/14 at 1:47 am to Rohan2Reed
quote:False.
1 / Snowden chose to flee to Russia
quote:Unless you are one of the people with access to the Snowden cache, you have no idea what "a majority" of the information he took is or isn't. And the NSA's claimed backdoor search authority of US information "incidentally" collected under auspices of foreign targeting means you can't draw a line through the documents and say "this is about spying on Americans but this is about spying on foreigners."
2 / the fact that a majority of the information he stole from government databases has nothing to do with NSA / government spying on innocent American civilians.
quote:Fuh fuh I don't like Glenn Greenwald = he's a traitor! This is one of your three "key points?"
3 / his choosing the self-aggrandizing, anti-American "journalist" Glenn Greenwald to be his official spokesman.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 1:52 am
Posted on 7/4/14 at 2:03 am to Decatur
Firstly, I don't believe Snowden is a spy for a foreign power. Why go public if he was?
Secondly, even if he is idgaf. The federal govt is spying on the American people.
Secondly, even if he is idgaf. The federal govt is spying on the American people.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:15 am to Decatur
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Posted by Decatur
I do not know what his true motivation was in exposing these things. The article does not seem to be intellectually honest.
I would like to know his true motivation and the extent to which any other countries were involved. Honestly, I don't think we will ever know everything. It's one of those situations where what we "know" will simply depend on who we choose to believe.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:51 am to Decatur
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Decatur
Don't you have Heisenberg & Jesse's money to go launder?
Posted on 7/4/14 at 9:38 am to Decatur
quote:Why the effort to speculate and smear? Why not focus on the knowns, like the DNI's criminal testimony before the Senate which Snowden's disclosures revealed? We don't have Snowden here to prosecute. We do have James Clapper.
Why not Chinese agents? I think we know there was at least some level of involvement by them while Snowden was in Hong Kong.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:03 am to NC_Tigah
Ding ding ding.
There aren't many better ways to discredit Snowden than to tie him to Russia. If the US thought that was his final destination then why send the black ops collection jet to Europe? Why force a diplomatic plane to land prematurely and be searched?
If the intelligence community couldn't put their hands on Snowden then the next best place was to trap him in Russia. It allows him to be discredited (KGB agent, sympathizer, giving away our secrets etc) and places an enormous amount of personal pressure on Snowden. Literal rock and hard place.
Maybe someday somehow we'll know his intentions and his influences for sure, but I doubt it. Until that somehow happens nothing changes. The NSA is spying on Americans and it is past time we dealt with that reality.
There aren't many better ways to discredit Snowden than to tie him to Russia. If the US thought that was his final destination then why send the black ops collection jet to Europe? Why force a diplomatic plane to land prematurely and be searched?
If the intelligence community couldn't put their hands on Snowden then the next best place was to trap him in Russia. It allows him to be discredited (KGB agent, sympathizer, giving away our secrets etc) and places an enormous amount of personal pressure on Snowden. Literal rock and hard place.
Maybe someday somehow we'll know his intentions and his influences for sure, but I doubt it. Until that somehow happens nothing changes. The NSA is spying on Americans and it is past time we dealt with that reality.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:14 am to Decatur
quote:Are you insinuating that Snowden was hanging out with Obama's step brother?
Mr. Snowden had assistance from a "well-connected" resident of Hong Kong with whom he had been acquainted prior to his arrival.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:18 am to Decatur
Ok, and 
I don't see how this changes ANYTHING
I don't see how this changes ANYTHING
Posted on 7/4/14 at 11:29 am to Decatur
quote:Who were these secrets stolen from?
stealing secrets
Posted on 7/4/14 at 11:42 am to Decatur
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Things That Make You Go Hmmmm....
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This raises a lot of questions for me.
I guess I'm a little dull. What's the insinuation here, exactly?
Posted on 7/4/14 at 1:42 pm to 90proofprofessional
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guess I'm a little dull. What's the insinuation here, exactly?
Don't fall for it... It doesn't raise any questions for him. He has been 100% close minded in regards to Snowden. He's just trying to come across objective.
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