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Who helped Edward Snowden in Hong Kong?
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:08 pm
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One day after stealing secrets from the National Security Agency's Threat Operations Center in Hawaii, Mr. Snowden flew to Hong Kong. At some point following his arrival on May 20 last year, he approached Russian officials, who in turn contacted President Vladimir Putin. We know this because Mr. Putin bragged about it in an interview in September on Russia's state-run Channel 1 television.
According to the transcript of that interview. Mr. Putin said, "I will tell you something I have never said before." Mr. Snowden "first went to Hong Kong and got in touch with our diplomatic representatives." Mr. Putin said that he was briefed that an American "agent of special services" was seeking to come to Russia, and Mr. Putin ruled that the agent "is welcome, provided, however, that he stops any kind of activity that could damage Russian-U.S. relations."
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From May 20, the day he landed, to May 31, according to a source familiar with the Defense Intelligence Agency report on the Snowden affair, U.S. investigative agencies have been unable to find any credit-card charges or hotel records indicating his whereabouts. On a recent trip to Hong Kong, a U.S. official told me that Mr. Snowden had been observed on CCTV cameras entering the skyscraper that housed the Russian consulate on three occasions—but the visits were in June.
Mr. Snowden would tell Mr. Greenwald on June 3 that he had been "holed up" in his room at the Mira Hotel from the time of his arrival in Hong Kong. But according to inquiries by Wall Street Journal reporter Te-Ping Chen, Mr. Snowden arrived there on June 1. I confirmed that date with the hotel's employees. A hotel security guard told me that Mr. Snowden was not in the Mira during that late-May period and, when he did stay there, he used his own passport and credit card.
So where was Edward Snowden between May 20 and May 31?
The lawyers who had been retained by an anonymous party for him in Hong Kong have not been forthcoming. One of them, Albert Ho, told New York Times bureau chief Keith Bradsher that Mr. Snowden had assistance from a "well-connected" resident of Hong Kong with whom he had been acquainted prior to his arrival. This person acted as Mr. Snowden's "carer" and arranged safe houses for Mr. Snowden both in Hong Kong and in the adjacent New Territories. Mr. Ho declined to further identify the carer.
Robert Tibbo, another lawyer, told me in Hong Kong that he had escorted Mr. Snowden to at least one of the safe houses prepared for him. Mr. Tibbo also declined to identify Mr. Snowden's carer.
WSJ
Things That Make You Go Hmmmm....
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:09 pm to Decatur
what difference, at this point, does it make?
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:13 pm to Decatur
At first, I thought Edward Snowden had a noble cause of exposing blatant fourth amendment violations, but he has quickly exposed himself as an attention seeking bitch who is willing to compromise safety and honor if it means more attention. You cannot be both against government surveillance, and at the same time strengthen our enemies. Russia is still an Evil Empire.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:13 pm to Decatur
I'm not even sure what to say about that, like, lol? you think that all up on your own?
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:17 pm to Decatur
yeah, what difference does it make? what we gonna do about it now?
edit: it just looks like folks are trying to discredit his information by discrediting him
ok, lets say he was a spy, does this somehow make his leaks void?
edit: it just looks like folks are trying to discredit his information by discrediting him
ok, lets say he was a spy, does this somehow make his leaks void?
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:19 pm to Tiguar
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what we gonna do about it now?
Maybe Edward could do a little explaining.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:19 pm to Tiguar
double
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:19 pm to Decatur
This is a non-issue, just like the IRS targeting.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:21 pm to Decatur
if he turns out a legit spy then sure but I suspect it would be used to cloud the information he leaked
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:26 pm to Decatur
Shorter WSJ: Snowden had help from an anonymous friend in Hong Kong. We have absolutely no clue who this person is or any evidence involving Russia. However, if we repeat "Russia" a bunch of times by pairing this question with already-known facts about his interrupted transit through Moscow, and selectively omitting details to compress the timeline to careless readers (e.g., "the visits were in June"), we can sure as hell make you think one thing has to do with the other! Booga booga!
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:30 pm to Iosh
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Maybe Edward could do a little explaining.
Yes, Snowden could reward the friend who helped him in his time of great need by naming him and exposing his identity and all of his friends and family to the tender mercies of the American security state. If only he just did that, then the WSJ would stop calling him a Russian spy and this little misunderstanding would be cleared right up. They totally wouldn't invent a new reason to call him a traitor in the press a week later after his buddy was rendered and chilling in a black site.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:32 pm to Iosh
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Shorter WSJ: Snowden had help from an anonymous friend in Hong Kong. We have absolutely no clue who this person is or any evidence involving Russia. However, if we repeat "Russia" a bunch of times by pairing this question with already-known facts about his interrupted transit through Moscow,
Why not Chinese agents? I think we know there was at least some level of involvement by them while Snowden was in Hong Kong.
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and selectively omitting details to compress the timeline for careless readers (e.g., "the dates were in June")
Huh? I bolded that the dates were in June, as opposed to the time period in question - May 20-21 - and this initial "dark period" is new info.
And he could have had more than one helper.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:41 pm to Decatur
quote:And why would the WSJ report that he visited the Russian consulate "in June" when every other date in the story has a specific day? Answer: because that date doesn't fit the narrative. We already know when he first reached out to Russia: the 21st. Following up May 20-31 with "in June" sounds a lot more suspicious than "June 21."
Huh? I bolded that the dates were in June, as opposed to the time period in question - May 20-21 - and this initial "dark period" is new info.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:56 pm to Iosh
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And why would the WSJ report that he visited the Russian consulate "in June" when every other date in the story has a specific day? Answer: because that date doesn't fit the narrative. We already know when he first reached out to Russia: the 21st. Following up May 20-31 with "in June" sounds a lot more suspicious than "June 21."
The June visits to the Russian consulate actually fit just fine with what we already know about how he was lodged there for a few days before for he left for Russia, having a pizza party for his birthday and such.
I'm more interested right now in the initial period. The going narrative was that he at the Mira the whole time. People at the Mira say otherwise. And there are apparently no other records of him staying at any other hotels.
This raises a lot of questions for me.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:08 am to Iosh
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Maybe Edward could do a little explaining.
Yes, Snowden could reward the friend who helped him in his time of great need by naming him and exposing his identity and all of his friends and family to the tender mercies
I know right? Expose an ally who helped him? Who does Decatur think Snowden is, Obama? He's not nearly so Presidential as that...
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:23 am to Decatur
Saw this the other day. If it's not transparent by now that Snowden isn't the liberty-defending patriot his fanboys make him out to be then I don't know what more evidence his supporters need to question his motives.
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