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When did social studies become a science?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:10 pm
Watching Tucker speak with a prof at Notre Dame that had a guest speaker (?) that was apparently 180 from liberal/leftist. He answered a Tucker question about what groups of his peer prof's were most "against the speaker"...was it engineering, English, science?? The prof's answer was along the lines of "social science / arts".
It's been close to 50 yrs since I had a class in sociology. So I was trying to remember anything from those classes that constituted science, but can't remember any principles.
Did I miss something or is it truly a science now? I say it's not a science, but you know maybe I could be wrong.
It's been close to 50 yrs since I had a class in sociology. So I was trying to remember anything from those classes that constituted science, but can't remember any principles.
Did I miss something or is it truly a science now? I say it's not a science, but you know maybe I could be wrong.
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:12 pm to larry289
Social science cannot perform controlled experiments
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:13 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:What? What kind if definition of science are you using?
Social science cannot perform controlled experiments and thus is not a science
Besides, they can perform controlled experiments, just not the level of say physicists.
Then again, theoretical physicists aren't really running controlled experiments either.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:14 pm to larry289
Social science is the science of manipulating demographic data with statistics.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:14 pm to larry289
The "social sciences" sounds more professional that "social studies" which makes one think of coaches reading the newspaper in a high school class where they don't teach.
There is quite a bit of "science" to in that there is research, theories, testing, etc. I'm fine with the change and think it is probably more accurate. It isn't a hard science, which the term "social" designates. But, there are definitely elements of science involved.
For what it's worth, Economics is part of the "social sciences" as well, as are Sociology, Psychology, and Geography. Even History uses research methods that are pretty intense, if done correctly.
There is quite a bit of "science" to in that there is research, theories, testing, etc. I'm fine with the change and think it is probably more accurate. It isn't a hard science, which the term "social" designates. But, there are definitely elements of science involved.
For what it's worth, Economics is part of the "social sciences" as well, as are Sociology, Psychology, and Geography. Even History uses research methods that are pretty intense, if done correctly.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:15 pm to larry289
Were they talking about Charles Murray?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:16 pm to Pinecone Repair
Social studies is a disaster. Students should learn history, geography, and basic economics not social studies or social science.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Social science cannot perform controlled experiments
That's a pretty narrow definition of "science."
I mean, sure, if you only define science as chemistry, biology, physics, etc., then Sociology is not a "science." But, it definitely bears many of the same marks but is just applied to people/cultures.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:16 pm to larry289
I know and do social studies related stuff and I will never be called a scientist
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:17 pm to AlaTiger
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For what it's worth, Economics is part of the "social sciences" as well, as are Sociology, Psychology, and Geography. Even History uses research methods that are pretty intense, if done correctly.
What?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:19 pm to larry289
quote:What are you confused about?
What?
Social Sciences
quote:
The main social sciences include economics, political science, human geography, demography, psychology, and sociology.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:19 pm to Pinecone Repair
quote:
Were they talking about Charles Murray?
Yes
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:19 pm to larry289
And political "science"
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:20 pm to larry289
So they can spot weld every "science" to the March for Science next month.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:24 pm to buckeye_vol
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The main social sciences include economics, political science, human geography, demography, psychology, and sociology.
ISWYDT, that's not quite the same as previously noted.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:25 pm to larry289
quote:
When did social studies become a science?
I always thought that was BS
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:26 pm to larry289
quote:Well history falls under the humanities, but is taught in social studies courses. It has it's place in the social sciences, but it's not really a social science in and of itself.
ISWYDT, that's not quite the same as previously noted.
But economics, psychology, sociology, etc. are the main social sciences. As someone with his PhD in psychology, I'm a bit biased, but a main focus was research methods and statistics.
And don't get me wrong: I know the hard sciences are superior due to their nature. And I know too much of social sciences delves into unscientific theories and reasoning; however, that doesn't negate that many are doing solid scientific work and identifying important phenomenon. The steps to the truth are a lot smaller though.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:45 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
And don't get me wrong: I know the hard sciences are superior due to their nature. And I know too much of social sciences delves into unscientific theories and reasoning; however, that doesn't negate that many are doing solid scientific work and identifying important phenomenon. The steps to the truth are a lot smaller though.
That's more insightful for me. Just don't see economics and geography as social constructs. Yes, societies cause economics by all means, but economics to me stands as an independent set of rules influenced by those societal actions. Geography is the study the earth and it's features. Geography certainly does influence humans and their activities.
PS: I see wikipedia and others now incorporate human and physical geography. So my way of looking at these two, geography and economics, may be in the minority.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:48 pm to larry289
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It's been close to 50 yrs since I had a class in sociology. So I was trying to remember anything from those classes that constituted science, but can't remember any principles.
There are degrees of the classification of science.
Most people classify physics and chemistry as the "hard" sciences. They contain the most mathematics and classical experimentation. Next comes astronomy,geology, paleontology, biology, medicine, and the rest of the more commonly areas of study called science. Mathematics becomes more statistical and experiments more difficult.
Finally you have the social sciences. Economics, anthropology, sociology, civic sciences, etc. History is the one social study that is often classified as an art that uses science. Probably most American historians lean to the art side, and more European historians advocate science. I see it as art or a humanity. You'd be surprised how much debate this can inspire within the profession.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:53 pm to larry289
quote:Which are studied; however, much of it (and all social sciences) overlaps. For example, behavioral economics is largely psychology, and it's two most prominent and early researchers (Kahneman and Tversky) were actually psychologists.
but economics to me stands as an independent set of rules influenced by those societal actions.
I just don't know your issue considering these sciences. They follow the scientific process, using research methods and statistics to study them. In fact, much of the statistical methods are actually derived from agricultural research, since in many ways, they have similar underlying issues (soil, weather, topography) that need controlled.
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