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re: Wheels on the bus go round and round: Benghazi
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:04 am to Wolfhound45
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:04 am to Wolfhound45
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:05 am to idlewatcher
Were the attacks on that consulate months before the video also motivated by the video?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:05 am to WheelRoute
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What statement is the ADMINISTRATION making in this article? What information that is being reported comes directly from an administration source?
Teflon coating.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:07 am to Wolfhound45
quote:The thread headline isn't the NYT headline. That is the headline of this hack piece in the OP.
Love these inflammatory headlines (which is all that is remembered) and then nothing (NADA) in the article that even remotely references the headline.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:08 am to dante
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CNN did the interview with NYT editor. In the interview she admitted the NYT was liberal.
According to that article she admitted to catering to an urban audience, which has liberal tendencies. That is hardly the same as saying a paper is wholly liberal, or that that biases their coverage. Additionally, most papers lean a certain way but it is typically reflected in their editorial content, not on the front page. So to say the NYT is liberal would get little pushback from most people as they assume you're referring to Maureen Dowd, Tom Friedman, etc (same as WSJ's ed board is quite conservative), but to claim that NYT reporting is deliberately liberal and liberal in such a way as to produce a bias towards liberal issues is where your claim will come under scrutiny.
Further, a bias in either direction doesn't necessarily dilute quality of reporting. WSJ and NYT are both excellent papers, w/ very different takes on issues.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:10 am to Scruffy
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The thread headline isn't the NYT headline. That is the headline of this hack piece in the OP.
Understand. But in general, this is the methodology for most media outlets. Love baiting that hook. Drives me crazy.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:10 am to dante
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Doesn't sound the NYT is following its own advice.
Perhaps if you'd read the link you posted you'd have seen that national security stories frequently require background. And while anonymity is a last resort, it is still an accepted method of reporting. The real issue is whether an entire story or the majority of a story is reported anonymously. That isn't the case w/ this story.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:14 am to Wolfhound45
quote:It is how websites get clicks and therefore make money.
Understand. But in general, this is the methodology for most media outlets. Love baiting that hook. Drives me crazy.
They use code words that catch people's attention.
A good example is that piece about Cheney. The word "unprecedented" is added to the title to make it appear as if he did something no other politician has ever done.
Reader: "OOOHHH...Unprecedented? That sounds crazy." *click*
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:30 am to Scruffy
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That sounds crazy." *click*
Yup.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:38 am to idlewatcher
quote:Bet he avoided water-boarding with that statement.
NYT: Captured Suspect Said Benghazi Attack Was Revenge For Anti-Islam Video
Ahmed Abu Khatallah, the suspect captured by U.S. special forces on Tuesday for his role in the 2012 Benghazi attack, reportedly said he was motivated in part by the anti-Islam online video made in America, according to the New York Times.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:44 am to idlewatcher
After reading the New York Times article ( HERE), I believe we have the worst of all worlds. The individual captured/apprehended is a small time player who probably was a simple opportunist in the attack on the temporary mission facility at Benghazi. Just a common thug who took advantage of the situation.
What concerns me is the (apparent) military precision of the subsequent indirect fire attack on the CIA compound (which to this day - no one has explained what the mission of it was). Are they in fact two separate events that occurred on the same night? One a spontaneous demonstration (at the temporary mission facility) and one a deliberate attack (on the CIA compound)?
I am suspicious (as I have always been) about the CIA aspect to the incident. What were they doing in Benghazi?
What concerns me is the (apparent) military precision of the subsequent indirect fire attack on the CIA compound (which to this day - no one has explained what the mission of it was). Are they in fact two separate events that occurred on the same night? One a spontaneous demonstration (at the temporary mission facility) and one a deliberate attack (on the CIA compound)?
I am suspicious (as I have always been) about the CIA aspect to the incident. What were they doing in Benghazi?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:45 am to idlewatcher
David Kirkpatrick has been discredited re: Benghazi too many times to count. He was in Egypt at the time and his "sources" were two guys who came upon the scene after everyone had left the SMC and the looters and curiosity seekers had moved in.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:16 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:FWIW. There was military precision at both locations.
What concerns me is the (apparent) military precision of the subsequent indirect fire attack on the CIA compound
Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:21 pm to NC_Tigah
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FWIW. There was military precision at both locations.
Please elaborate. From what I am seeing, the temporary mission facility was simply a rabble rousing event. Nothing precise about it.
I can guarantee you, give me twenty reasonably intelligent people with well maintained small arms and three days to reconnoiter, train and rehearse, and everyone in that compound would be dead. Period.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:26 pm to idlewatcher
Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:28 pm to idlewatcher
You're all missing the point. The Obama admin didn't have this information when they sent Rice to do the sunday shows. Remember... Dear leader told us himself that he doesnt find out things until the media reports it. This NYT article was not available to him at that time, so by his own admission there was no way for him to know that the morning after
Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:36 pm to NHTIGER
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Do we turn him back over to the Libya government when the ploy is over.
That took a long time...
Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:36 pm to idlewatcher
Well, well...Rush hit the bullseye re this one; called it spot on as soon as he heard the announcement.
So filthy predictable. And when the Right Wing of this country seizes power during an economic collapse...they are going to need - and indeed employ - all these anti-Constitutional and utterly in our face illegal action in order to clean up the mess in this society. Sew the wind...reap the whirlwind.
We'll all pay dearly for this bs.
So filthy predictable. And when the Right Wing of this country seizes power during an economic collapse...they are going to need - and indeed employ - all these anti-Constitutional and utterly in our face illegal action in order to clean up the mess in this society. Sew the wind...reap the whirlwind.
We'll all pay dearly for this bs.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:31 pm to Scruffy
It took the Obama administration 18 months to build a case against this guy. He is in captivity less than 24 hours, and Times reporter David Kirkpatrick was able to determine the content of Khattala's private conversations during the night of the attack, but Kirkpatrick doesn't know what Khatallah was up to in the period just before the attack. What is wrong with this picture?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:45 pm to Poodlebrain
What was the show... Unsolved Mysteries...
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