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No shite.

I ain't melting!!

I do believe that the failure to produce a viable bill that conservatives wanted is a sad day, but not melt worthy at all.

Had they passed a truly conservative bill that the party and people backed and then passed it to the Senate to have the Democrats commit political suicide by voting it down, I'd be sitting here gloating and happy as ever.

They would have had to own it when Obamacare crashes so hard that even liberal voters would be begging for something better.

Failure all around, except for that guy in your pic.

Obamacare HAS TO BE fixed. No question about it, but this garbage was not the answer.

I still can't believe after years and years of bitching about the ACA there was no real fix. The congressmen and women who complained about it now have egg on their face for missing the opportunity to really make progress on our healthcare system.

I've argued all day and this is my Battle of the Bastards

#diversity

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Obamacare HAS TO BE fixed. No question about it, but this garbage was not the answer.

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exactly...

whether you choose to believe it or not, the ACA, in terms of decreasing healthcare costs over the LONG TERM, is a very good option.... not single payer good, but better than what we had before.... having more people insured, leads to a healthier population, which, again, LONG TERM, will lead to decreased healthcare costs....

now, there are things that need to be fixed, absolutely, and we've all been saying that all along... i don't remember even the most liberal posters ever saying this is a perfect plan...

How does leaving more people insured, even if it's too costly to use that insurance, make us a healthier nation. And don't give me this crap now poor people have insurance, the ER's are still just as packed before with colds and minor cases as ever.

All ACA did is muddy the waters and complicate insurance coverage so much that it is a Royal pain in the arse for everyone. It's so bad that it makes single payer look viable, except everywhere single payer systems routinely provide substandard care, particularly for specialist, for the patients who are taxed out the arse for it.

Health insurance is not a right. Health care is not a right. And I don't know why the hell people think it is

The bill did suck, no doubt.

But you don't want to give the appearance of faltering so publicly on such a big stage.

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How does leaving more people insured, even if it's too costly to use that insurance, make us a healthier nation.

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simple... by having more people utilizing PREVENTATIVE healthcare (regular annual checkups, screenings, etc.) it allows the majority of those people to become proactive about their health... this, in turn, will directly result in decreased chronic cases that will involve hospitalizations as a REACTIVE outcome.... over time, by being proactive and preventing chronic illness, it will cut down on the amount of need for healthcare dollars needed to cover long term illnesses...

think of it this way... it's a hell of a lot cheaper for you to pay a $50 dollar copay, then another $100 towards your deductible to go get checked out for that cough you've had for a week, than it is to have cover thousands of $'s for a few days at the hospital with pneumonia....

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And don't give me this crap now poor people have insurance, the ER's are still just as packed before with colds and minor cases as ever.

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and that's a GOOD thing... i'd rather the ER and after hours clinic packed than hospitals... again, see above....

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Health care is not a right.

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wow... i don't even know what to say about this one... just curious... you'd consider yourself, religiously, what?

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All ACA did is muddy the waters and complicate insurance coverage so much that it is a Royal pain in the arse for everyone.

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dude, insurance has been a pain in the arse for much longer than before the ACA... stop with this whole end all, be all with the ACA... costs and confusion were always increasing BEFORE the ACA... all the ACA did was give healthcare a face, and that face, a reason for people to hate....

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And I don't know why the hell people think it is

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empathy? not being a self-concerned, self-centered a-hole? dunno... there are many reasons to care about others and their health...

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Healthcare isn't a right.

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i thought Republicans were the Jesus loving, God fearing ones, no? because i'm pretty sure he'd have something different to say about it...

oh, by the way, because doctors sorta have to treat patients regardless of insurance coverage/type/copay/etc., yeah, it sorta is a right... and you WILL end up paying for THEIR use of that healthcare, one way or the other, bro... now that's "trickle down" economics for you....

The bill sucked but McConnell or Ryan would never bring a Rand Paul style bill to the floor