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re: what was the gop doing for healthcare for 7 years?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:54 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:54 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
So in your reality, how do you move forward pragmatically to improve the healthcare situation right now? Given the political constraints that exist?
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:55 pm to mahdragonz
They get lifetime Cadillac insurance, they really don't care. They were just mad it had Obama's name on it.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:55 pm to bonhoeffer45
Let it die, or pass complete repeal. Everything else is a waste of time.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Let it die, or pass complete repeal. Everything else is a waste of time.
So I thought you just said you live in reality?
Complete repeal is not a political option, that already failed, and no matter how much people repeat it, the ACA is not just going to die. Except by sabotage. But that harms people, I asked for pragmatic solutions that improve the situation. So what are they?
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:58 pm to bonhoeffer45
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the ACA is not just going to die. Except by sabotage.
The rate hikes and people pulling out will force government bandaids which is the only cure without repeal. Bandaid the piece of shite or start from scratch.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:00 pm to bonhoeffer45
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So I thought you just said you live in reality?
Correct.
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I live in reality.
See.
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Complete repeal is not a political option, that already failed, and no matter how much people repeat it, the ACA is not just going to die. Except by sabotage.
We'll see. Garbage bills are not going to pass unless they're forced through like the ACA was forced through. I don't see that happening. That leaves us failure or repeal. Your disbelief is noted, but ultimately unimportant.
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I asked for pragmatic solutions that improve the situation.
No you didn't. Using the word doesn't change your meaning.
I gave you the two options. I don't care if you accept it.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:02 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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...or this one.
It's almost as if the CBO uses...math..to release the numbers in their reports.
The way this board talks, you'd think they use Ouija boards.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:05 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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The rate hikes and people pulling out will force government bandaids which is the only cure without repeal. Bandaid the piece of shite or start from scratch.
Force? Maybe. Depends on how cynical Trump is and how confident he is his followers will not blame him for any harm that may arise from sabotage.
Based on places like this, I suspect he probably has a lot more leeway than liberals suspect.
But the bipartisan legislation I mentioned is exactly what you are talking about. It is a piece of legislation that loosens the waiver process a bit more to allow more flexibility for states, and repeals some of the taxes conservatives derided, and the small business mandate, while applying funds similar to what was in some GOP bills to stabilize marketplaces, and makes sure ACA payments can not be held hostage by the administration, which has injected instability and uncertainty into marketplaces.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:05 pm to BamaAtl
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analysis
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facts
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math
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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forced through like the ACA was forced through
A year of awareness, months of hearing, weeks of floor debate?
Again, didn't you say you lived in reality? In -this- reality, Republicans don't do that sort of thing anymore.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:11 pm to BamaAtl
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A year of awareness, months of hearing, weeks of floor debate?
None of those are how we pass legislation.
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Again, didn't you say you lived in reality? In -this- reality, Republicans don't do that sort of thing anymore.
Your reality is shite.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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We'll see. Garbage bills are not going to pass unless they're forced through like the ACA was forced through. I don't see that happening. That leaves us failure or repeal. Your disbelief is noted, but ultimately unimportant.
Once again you speak of this reality place you live in but the evidence to support it seems lacking.
Repeal already failed. The ACA, despite assertions, is not in collapse. You don't even have to believe me, Tom Price's own department released a report affirming their findings that in the long-term the ACA is not in jeopardy of collapse. Which mirrors other independent analysis(which is separate from saying it has operational failures, which it most assuredly does).
And you keep using this term "garbage," which seems to be a catch all for the things you subjectively don't like. What I am asking for is given reality - that the ACA is not in a process of collapse, repeal is not politically possible - what pragmatic path forward to improve the health care situation in this country do you suggest?
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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None of those are how we pass legislation.
All of those are how the ACA was passed. That's the process you claimed that you wanted repeated - were you lying, or just unaware of the ACA's legislative journey? I'd believe either from you.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:14 pm to BamaAtl
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All of those are how the ACA was passed.
Not one of them is how the ACA was passed.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:15 pm to bonhoeffer45
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given reality - that the ACA is not in a process of collapse
If you want a serious answer, be serious.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Not one of them is how the ACA was passed.
Lying, or truly ignorant? I'm going with lying.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:17 pm to BamaAtl
Go with whichever you prefer. You know I don't care.
Neither will change the fact that I am correct.
Neither will change the fact that I am correct.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:17 pm to BamaAtl
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All of those are how the ACA was passed. That's the process you claimed that you wanted repeated - were you lying, or just unaware of the ACA's legislative journey? I'd believe either from you.
Be careful, he is going to try and draw you into a semantic argument by claiming it was votes that passed it. Knowing full well you are making a comment about his misrepresentation of the process by echoing partisan talking points, like the ones that were regurgitated by Republicans for 7 years without scrutiny, and why we end up with threads like this every few days. Full of people baffled why the Republicans didn't have a full proof plan. Why Trump's campaign didn't have an answer despite constantly telling the public he did.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:19 pm to bonhoeffer45
I know accuracy and honesty are problems for you two, but I insist that we stick to both.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 8:20 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Neither will change the fact that I am correct.
As usual, you are neither correct nor within the same universe as correct.
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