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re: What drugs / narcotics should be legal for recreational use in the US?
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:34 am to ManBearTiger
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:34 am to ManBearTiger
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All of them- customer must have either a high school degree or have reached the age of 18 to purchase, whichever comes first. Tax that shite and put proceeds towards voluntary rehabilitation/information programs.
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:36 am to mmcgrath
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The only drug that I know of that is completely illegal at the Federal level is marijuana, so lets start there.
All of Schedule I is in this category, brah.
Certainly, I agree with a good first stop being a general legalization of marijuana, and regulated in a similar fashion as tobacco and alcohol, including protections for children and allowing people to grow, unlicensed, for their own consumption.
Medical should be a no brainer - that can be fixed by the FDA tomorrow - by making it Schedule II - doctors can prescribe it everywhere if it is made available.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:36 am to weagle99
all drugs should be decriminalized. You should be able to have a two week supply and not face any arrest charges.
Distribution of some drugs should remain illegal though - cocaine, meth, and heroine.
We should have legal cannabis, mushrooms, LSD, MDMA - that is sold and taxed. Tax proceeds for these should go to education and treatment programs.
Treat drug use as a public health problem, not as a criminal one.
Distribution of some drugs should remain illegal though - cocaine, meth, and heroine.
We should have legal cannabis, mushrooms, LSD, MDMA - that is sold and taxed. Tax proceeds for these should go to education and treatment programs.
Treat drug use as a public health problem, not as a criminal one.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:37 am to Hawkeye95
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Distribution of some drugs should remain illegal though - cocaine, meth, and heroin.
Why?
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:39 am to SSpaniel
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So is the opium poppy... and we dang sure don't need to be making that legal.
Sure, but the opium poppy requires a good amount of time and process to get it into a form to get high on. Mushrooms you can pick and eat immediately to get their effects.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:39 am to weagle99
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Why?
so we can control supply a bit. Prohibition doesn't work, but we can't just legalize and tax everything, especially drugs that have a very high addiction potential.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:40 am to Hawkeye95
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all drugs should be decriminalized. You should be able to have a two week supply and not face any arrest charges.
Kurt Cobain would have fricked up that definition with heroin.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:40 am to SSpaniel
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So is the opium poppy... and we dang sure don't need to be making that legal.
Why not? Unrefined opium certainly isn't the demon that refined heroin is.
I might actually draw the line at heroin - if morphine were legal, perhaps that would be good enough - either is brutal, but the heroin junkies always seem to not enjoy the habit - a true sickness. Many of the barbituates are.
Of course, the cocaine and meth addicts go the other way - they enjoy it too much, then it causes all sorts of health problems. They only want to stop because of the legal ramifications, it seems.
But, again, Darwin was no fool...
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:41 am to weagle99
Herb, booze and 'backy - the rest should remain illegal.
Responsible use is paramount. Unfortunately a few bad eggs spoil the party for the rest of us.
Responsible use is paramount. Unfortunately a few bad eggs spoil the party for the rest of us.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:42 am to weagle99
I also totally support businesses which choose to administer drug tests to prospective/current employees with any amount of prejudice- even if all drugs were legal.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:43 am to Ace Midnight
quote:There are other drugs in there but they are either derivatives or are closely related to other compounds that are on less restricted schedule. Marijuana is clearly the odd child in the group. Even peyote is naturally growing in certain areas so I am not sure that it is as widely destroyed in its plant form as marijuana plants, but I would defer to someone living in the South. Could you get arrested for some random growing peyote plants on your ranch?
All of Schedule I is in this category, brah.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:43 am to ManBearTiger
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I also totally support businesses which choose to administer drug tests to prospective/current employees with any amount of prejudice- even if all drugs were legal.
That would be key. Employers should have the right to not want crackheads working for them--even if crack's legal.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:45 am to Navytiger74
Just like you can't come to work drunk, can't come in high either. Don't see much of an issue there. Same as it is anyway.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:45 am to idlewatcher
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Herb, booze and 'backy - the rest should remain illegal.
But, you're not offering any reason why.
Shouldn't those arguing against liberty have to justify it?
Let's take another Schedule I - LSD - it is a fairly new molecule, and many in the mental health community believe it has therapeutic value - why not allow for recreational use under medical supervision and perhaps require some educational certification before using?
Like a medically supervised "acid theater"?
Or MDMA? Again, why not allow pharmaceutical grade to be dispensed for recreational purposes?
We can pretend like people are using these drugs and let them go out and acquire drugs of highly uncertain potency, with all sorts of adulterants, funding other illegal activities, particularly violence, or we can offer a legal, regulated, taxed alternative.
The War on Drugs (tm) is over - and the drugs won - we can either accept that and move forward or live in the past.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:47 am to SSpaniel
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So is the opium poppy... and we dang sure don't need to be making that legal.
Yes we do
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:47 am to Ace Midnight
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I might actually draw the line at heroin - if morphine were legal, perhaps that would be good enough - either is brutal, but the heroin junkies always seem to not enjoy the habit - a true sickness. Many of the barbituates are.
i have met a few chippers that love the habit. They keep it in check, hold down jobs, they just shoot up every few weeks. Only about 20% of people who try heroin get hooked.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:49 am to Ace Midnight
As another consequence of this insane, impossibly convoluted drug policy of the United States -
At least according to Federal law - your doctor can prescribe you cocaine under a variety of circumstances, albeit fairly limited (primarily nasal surgery and some dental issues) - but a chemo or AIDS patient in Louisiana cannot be legally prescribed marijuana.
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard... (okay, second craziest/stupidest)...
At least according to Federal law - your doctor can prescribe you cocaine under a variety of circumstances, albeit fairly limited (primarily nasal surgery and some dental issues) - but a chemo or AIDS patient in Louisiana cannot be legally prescribed marijuana.
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard... (okay, second craziest/stupidest)...
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 11:49 am
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:50 am to Ace Midnight
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Unrefined opium certainly isn't the demon that refined heroin is.
Never tried heroin (don't plan to) but I've partaken of some opium before- it's pretty much like a weed high minus the psychedelic aspect. Very relaxing physically, but I've only ever seen it a couple times and this was a long while back.
I'd actually imagine opium is safer and has far more medicinal value than marijuana, in that it might be less confusing/frightening than for someone who might freak out on weed. It's definitely more addictive for sure though.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:51 am to weagle99
All of them. Thats freedom for consenting adults. Proper labeling and truth in advertising should apply though.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:56 am to weagle99
All of them
It has to be cheaper to rehab people than destroy their lives by sending them to prison for non violent offenses. The police lobby would be against this though because the drug war means $$$$ to them.
It has to be cheaper to rehab people than destroy their lives by sending them to prison for non violent offenses. The police lobby would be against this though because the drug war means $$$$ to them.
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