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re: What are your thoughts on physician-assisted suicide
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:30 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:30 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:How about handing a terminal patient with a port, a 500mg stick of Diprivan at their request?
Ehh, either way I'm not sure I'm comfortable with doctors giving their patients lethal injections.....
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:31 pm to Scoop
In a way physicians do assisted suicide all the time, but it is in the form of withdrawing care and setting up hospice. It is not as direct and simple as pushing a drug to kill a patient, but it insures the quicker demise and decreases pain and awaawareness.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:32 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Ehh, either way I'm not sure I'm comfortable with doctors giving their patients lethal injections.....
There are terminally ill patients that are so far gone and beyond saving that it's just a waiting game until their ravaged and sick body has had enough. Until then, that waiting game will be the most painful experience of their lives and it will not stop until they die. The option needs to be there to grant mercy from such an experience.
I'll say it again. frick anyone who wants to keep sick people in pain alive when they have no hope of being cured just because they're queasy about never seeing them again or an action that contradicts a doctor's role. It's cruel and barbaric.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:33 pm to Stingray
quote:
assisted suicide
quote:Not really.
setting up hospice
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:34 pm to NC_Tigah
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Not really.
I know
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:36 pm to Sentrius
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The option needs to be there to grant mercy from such an experience.
We have that and it's called hospice. Done correctly, they should be medicated to the level of numb of their choosing.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:24 pm to Stingray
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In a way physicians do assisted suicide all the time, but it is in the form of withdrawing care and setting up hospice. It is not as direct and simple as pushing a drug to kill a patient, but it insures the quicker demise and decreases pain and awaawareness.
Patients on hospice live longer, all else being equal, than patients not on hospice. Hospice doesn't hasten death in and of itself.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:29 pm to the808bass
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Patients on hospice live longer, all else being equal, than patients not on hospice. Hospice doesn't hasten death in and of itself.
I don't believe it. That assertion is certainly not true in many situations and a study to prove that thought would be very difficulty to do. Simply put, in situations where life sustaining measures are being given, and then the decision to go with hospice is made and those measures are removed....... it makes your declaration suspect.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:35 pm to Stingray
You don't have to believe it.
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A study published in 2010 by The New England Journal of Medicine supports what hospice professionals have known for years – patients who receive palliative care and hospice live longer than those who received standard care. The study found that these patients lived an average of two additional months. Researchers also found that hospice patients reported a higher quality of life through the final course of their illness. The New England Journal of Medicine study supports similar studies from 2004 and 2007 which found that patients with cancer and other common hospice diagnoses who received hospice services lived between 20 and 69 days longer.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:37 pm to benhamin5555
I need to get off this board. I guy I know committed suicide and the funeral was today.
Seems like this topic is fricking everywhere now
Seems like this topic is fricking everywhere now
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:42 pm to the808bass
quote:Nonsense
Patients on hospice live longer, all else being equal, than patients not on hospice. Hospice doesn't hasten death in and of itself.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:43 pm to Diamondawg
Except for medical studies, yeah, it's nonsense.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:48 pm to the808bass
If you've lived with someone with Alzheimer's and watched them turn into a child and then waste away until death for years. I believe the subject could be broached. It's a terrible dilemma much like abortion and not to be taken lightly by anyone or one I hope to ever have to face.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:53 pm to the808bass
quote:The two I am most familiar with were switched to hospice in the acute setting (in hospital hospice) and one lived 4 days and the other 2.
You don't have to believe it.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:57 pm to the808bass
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the808bass
dont believe every study you read
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:12 pm to Diamondawg
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The two I am most familiar with were switched to hospice in the acute setting (in hospital hospice) and one lived 4 days and the other 2.
A patient who transitions from the hospital to hospice is typically going to die relatively quickly. That is because hospital referrals usually happen long after they should have for a variety of reasons. I'm not sure what that means other than you have some experience with hospice. It doesn't invalidate the studies that have been done.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:13 pm to Stingray
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dont believe every study you read
I don't. I also don't believe all anecdotal evidence or all commonly accepted wisdom.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:27 pm to the808bass
quote:So you missed the acute part or you don't know what it means? Do you know anything about acute Pancreatitis in an 87 year old?
That is because hospital referrals usually happen long after they should have for a variety of reasons.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:45 pm to benhamin5555
It should be perfectly legal. There is no slippery slope argument. It's ridiculous that it isn't.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:17 pm to Sentrius
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frick anyone who wants to keep sick people in pain alive
Its not about keeping them alive. Its about not actively killing them. Those are two very different things.
I do understand your point Sentrius, and I myself am still mulling this one over. But I am with you, a terminally ill patient who doesn't want to should not be "kept alive" by different interventions to just add weeks or months to their lives. But thats different than endorsing the practice of actively pushing drugs to kill them in less than 2 mins.
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