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VP Pence says Utah Gov Herbert diverted 1200 state employees to conduct "Contact Tracing"
Posted on 4/25/20 at 4:21 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 4:21 am
1200 state employees diverted? Wow.
Has the state of Utah conducted antibody testing? [no]
Contact Tracing may be "amost impossible" once the population's antibody rate reaches 4%. (per Stanford professor Dr. Jay Bhattacharya - at 9:30 of YouTube video
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Mike Pence from 4/24/20 WH presser: (20:23)
Has the state of Utah conducted antibody testing? [no]
Contact Tracing may be "amost impossible" once the population's antibody rate reaches 4%. (per Stanford professor Dr. Jay Bhattacharya - at 9:30 of YouTube video
LINK )
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Mike Pence from 4/24/20 WH presser: (20:23)
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"And in Utah, Mr. President, governor Gary Herbert told us that he actually diverted 1200 state employees to do contact tracing in their state. In the last 36 hours, 23,000 residents have also signed up for what they’re calling their Healthy Together app and they have 50 different testing locations across Utah and have tested 82,000 people in the state already."
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 4:32 am
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Posted on 4/25/20 at 4:43 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Contact Tracing seems like a colossal waste of effort. By the time you found out someone was infected, especially in an urban area, they would have interacted with too many people for it to be at all useful.
It’s also disturbing from a freedom and privacy standpoint.
It’s also disturbing from a freedom and privacy standpoint.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 4:43 am to Buckeye Jeaux
You got to get the hate out ya heart son, it ain’t good for the soul.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:01 am to Lima Whiskey
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Contact Tracing seems like a colossal waste of effort. By the time you found out someone was infected, especially in an urban area, they would have interacted with too many people for it to be at all useful.
It’s also disturbing from a freedom and privacy standpoint.
"Contract Tracing" is the battle cry of the WHO/Gates/IMHE/CDC/NIH/Fauci/Birx gang. So far, they've been wrong about everything.
And they have blocked antibody testing - maybe because antibody testing will prove it is WAY too late for Contact Tracing?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:18 am to Lima Whiskey
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Contact Tracing seems like a colossal waste of effort. By the time you found out someone was infected, especially in an urban area, they would have interacted with too many people for it to be at all useful.
It’s also disturbing from a freedom and privacy standpoint.
Yeah, like its not so much of a disturbance of privacy when the coroner splits open your bodies' breastplate and cracks open your ribcage as he/she performs their mandated autopsy....
Contact tracing - like asymptomatic preventative mass testing - was REALLY effective early on in the initial stages of COVID-19 spread, but of course Trump screwed that pooch into the ground.
Utah is one of the bottom states in the U.S. in terms of cases and deaths, so perhaps the spread is not already a foregone conclusion there.
But for ALL states, it's already consensus medical opinion that increased testing will be needed for the re-opening of local economies throughout the nation. Businesses and community leaders MUST have knowledge that if they re-open businesses, they won't be sending healthy people into close-quarter activities with others who are infected with the COVID-19.
Contact tracing is easy, simple, and is a system that has been used now for decades. Unlike past flu epidemics, or really any other past viral pandemic outbreak, the country is largely in a shut-down mode right now, with most states conducting various stay-at-home and social distancing practices. Practices again, that we have not really ever done before.
This actually makes your above opinion - like 99.999% of opinions posted on this forum - largely ignorant and uneducated. As people are actively practicing social distancing, it currently makes it easier and more effective to contact trace for the COVID-19 now than it has to contact trace for any other past virus.
People who are sick or have been infected with the COVID-19 in recent past, are much better able to list any and all other people that they have been in contact with in recent days, even weeks. For past flu seasons, as an example, people sick with the flu continued to go to work, go shopping at malls, and socialize with others. They have a harder time listing all of those people.
Likewise, if you did come into contact with someone else, and you gave them the COVID-19, THAT person was less likely to then mix and mingle with others, because they are also practicing social distancing right now.
So the chances of rapid infection is much lesser right now than with any past viruses, and therefore the ability to more accurately trace contacts is much greater.....
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 5:19 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:22 am to ConwayGamecock
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Risk of death
That doesn’t bother me.
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As people are actively practicing social distancing, it currently makes it easier and more effective to contact trace for the COVID-19 now than it has to contact trace for any other past virus.
The incubation period is what, up to two weeks?
Let’s pretend I’m living in NYC again. I could interact with dozens of people in a given day. Who interact with dozens more. Who interact with dozens more.
In a small community that cycle will eventually end. But in a city. It won’t.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 5:28 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:30 am to Buckeye Jeaux
What’s the imagined scandal here? There’s no there, there..
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:46 am to ConwayGamecock
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Contact tracing is easy, simple, and is a system that has been used now for decades.
Really? Then why would a smaller state like Utah need to divert 1200 state employees to conduct it?
Antibody testing is the scientific baseline study (i.e., what percentage of Utahns have already contracted COVID-19 and self-cured?)
There are no reports that Utah has spent a nickel on baseline antibody testing, but Utah is All In with 1200 employees for Contact Tracing (which is likely scientiffically futile at this point - unless you enjoy interrogating tens of thousands of people - then it is great!)
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:17 am to Lima Whiskey
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Let’s pretend I’m living in NYC again. I could interact with dozens of people in a given day. Who interact with dozens more. Who interact with dozens more.
Add to that that "current evidence suggests that novel coronavirus may remain viable for hours to days on surfaces made from a variety of materials. (from the CDC website)" So now, anyone that went to the same location the same day or even days after has to be contact traced.
It's a futile and pointless endeavor.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:19 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I don’t know why anyone would get upset about this.
Contact tracing is a very effective way to combat the virus as it deals with actual things, not models. And it is less intrusive to our rights.
County health departments have been doing this and they probably just need some help as the task of contact tracing hundreds of people a day could get to be a very time-consuming process.
This is part of what real quarantining should be like. You have been potentially exposed. Please stay home for the incubation period of this illness. It’s a stark contrast to the shelter in place of the entire country. And it’s a far more effective approach to dealing with the virus.
Contact tracing is a very effective way to combat the virus as it deals with actual things, not models. And it is less intrusive to our rights.
County health departments have been doing this and they probably just need some help as the task of contact tracing hundreds of people a day could get to be a very time-consuming process.
This is part of what real quarantining should be like. You have been potentially exposed. Please stay home for the incubation period of this illness. It’s a stark contrast to the shelter in place of the entire country. And it’s a far more effective approach to dealing with the virus.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:46 am to the808bass
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And it is less intrusive to our rights.
It is quite intrusive. It can require naming all family members, friends at work and otherwise, email addresses, health records, etc. And can result in quarantine in health department designated facilities.
It can also involve serious penalties for failure to truthfully comply.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:47 am to Buckeye Jeaux
It is rumored that Trump has his sights on Kevin Bacon to lead the Contract Tracing Unit of the Corona Virus-19 Task Force, whom he believes can knock out contact tracing in seven steps.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:49 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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It is quite intrusive. It can require naming all family members, friends at work and otherwise, email addresses, health records, etc. And can result in quarantine in health department designated facilities.
It doesn’t require you name “family members.” Or “all your friends at work.” You bangin some chick at work that you’re nervous the state is going to find out?
Contact tracing is where a person who has tested positive for the virus tells the health department all the people they’ve been in “close contact” with since the time they were likely contagious. Those people are then contacted and then advised to self-quarantine.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:49 am to PhDoogan
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It is rumored that Trump has his sights on Kevin Bacon to lead the Contract Tracing Unit of the Corona Virus-19 Task Force, whom he believes can knock out contact tracing in seven steps.
Funny but true
And the Salt Lake City combined Metro area has a 2,400,000 population. At Santa Clara's antibody rate of 4%, contract tracing is absurd... so the SLC area would have 96,000 people with positive antibody results at 4%. Each with 10, 20 or 30 close friends/co-workers?
Time to face COVID like we have faced the flu for decades. Go to work, keep clean, use common sense.
Forget the ChiCom propaganda Panic Porn.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 7:03 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:50 am to Buckeye Jeaux
The risk of abuse is also quite high. Who gets access to that data? That’s especially true if you introduce a technological solution, like cell phone tracking.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:01 am to Lima Whiskey
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The risk of abuse is also quite high. Who gets access to that data? That’s especially true if you introduce a technological solution, like cell phone tracking.
Michigan politicized contract tracing immediately. The guv gave the contract to left-wing-radical cronies. She had to rescind the contracts after extreme backlash.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:02 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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so the SLC area would have 96,000 people with positive antibody results. Each with 10, 20 or 30 close friends/co-workers?
You aren’t tracing people who’ve recovered.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:06 am to the808bass
quote:You ARE tracing the contacts of people who recovered. Tracing their contacts during the period of time they report they had flu-like symptoms.
You aren’t tracing people who’ve recovered.
We're not talking about going back 10 years. We're talking about April and March. Back to January at the most.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 7:12 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:23 am to the808bass
Who is going to define “close contact?”
Is it the arbitrary 6 ft distance that was adopted?
Is it the arbitrary 6 ft distance that was adopted?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:43 am to Dick Leverage
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Who is going to define “close contact?”
Maybe all clerks who worked the same counter and cash register within 24 hours? Or, in a law office, the person tested positive who did copying and printing. Or your barber, or bartender, or regular waitress. Carpool pals. A daycare worker who had every day contact with your child tested positive...
Possibilities seem almost endless.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 8:49 am
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