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re: Vice President* Kamala Harris: The future is electric!

Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:49 am to
Posted by MightyYat
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2009
24431 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:49 am to
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No exactly true. A significant portion of our NG infrastructure could be used for Hydrogen with minimal changes.


And where does hydrogen come from? It doesn't just come out of thin air. Someone still has to produce and supply it. The government is all in with lithium mining and has already sold out to China so Hydrogen is going to be the Betamax of the EV world.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30734 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:53 am to
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Electric cars are a “fraud”?


That they are better for the environment is a fraud.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
10719 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:54 am to
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Could be
true, hydrogen infrastructure is definitely doable. It’s just not being done.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
10719 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:58 am to
Electricity has to be produced, lithium batteries have to be produced, and yea hydrogen would have to be produced as well. The difference is the raw resources used for hydrogen production is water vs coal, gas, or lithium. Burning it also produces water. Truly renewable, not just a fraudulent virtue signaling. Also there is waste hydrogen produced already in existing manufacturing processes that could be captured.

You would need to consume some energy for hydrogen production but not nearly as much as to charge all those batteries.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 11:00 am
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
12201 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:00 am to
So we run cars on coal instead of oil..

Not a big difference.

Posted by MightyYat
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2009
24431 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:07 am to
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Electricity has to be produced, lithium batteries have to be produced, and yea hydrogen would have to be produced as well. The difference is the raw resources used for hydrogen production is water vs coal, gas, or lithium. Burning it also produces water. Truly renewable, not just a fraudulent virtue signaling. Also there is waste hydrogen produced already in existing manufacturing processes that could be captured.

You would need to consume some energy for hydrogen production but not nearly as much as to charge all those batteries.


And even if you get it produced and distributed it won't be free. The higher the demand the higher the price is going to get. That's the greatest fraud of all of this. It's relatively cheap to charge a care now. Put 300 million cars on any of those grids and the price is going up.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
24574 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:08 am to
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The future is electric!




It is, so you better stop preventing nuclear plants if you want to prevent rolling blackouts. You can't have it both ways
Posted by ronniep1
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
395 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:13 am to
Whether on a regional or national basis, where is the corresponding increase in power grid capacity to provide "fuel" for millions and millions of electric vehicles?

Not everyone can wait until night time, and lower usage rates, before plugging in their vehicles for a recharge. So if power grids struggle to keep up when powering homes and businesses during times of extreme heat or cold, how is the grid supposed to cope with tens of thousands of vehicles attempting to recharge at 3:00 pm, for example, when it's 99 degrees outside?

Next is the issue of range traveled on a single charge, and the requisite longer-than-is-acceptable charge times, but for now, let's focus on just the power grid . . . .
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
6095 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:26 am to
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I guess electricity comes from some magical place
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
12646 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:33 am to
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Hydrogen - not electric. Toyota knows. Actually clean, not dependent on power grid,


Ohhh yea it is. It takes a ton of electricity to make hydrogen.

And storage. Hydrogen leaks muuuch easier than just air. Distributors’ and seller’s profits can just leak right into the atmosphere if you don’t have a way to seal that stuff up tight.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 11:46 am
Posted by Bandit1980
God's Country
Member since Nov 2019
3752 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:35 am to
Y'all think Kamaltoe's dildo is 120V, 277V, or 480V?


I think it might take 13.8KV.............


And she's a jackass.............
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12526 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:55 am to
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true, hydrogen infrastructure is definitely doable. It’s just not being done.

It actually is. NG utility and construction companies have made sure that all new infrastructure is hydrogen capable for quite some time now. It's an easy way to mitigate risk in case NG gets replaced.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
10719 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:05 pm to
Glad to hear. Right now for actual customers however unless you live in a few cities in CA there’s no where to fill up the Toyota Miria fuel cell car like there is for Teslas. They need to roll it out (the filling stations).
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 1:06 pm
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13574 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:56 pm to
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The future is electric.


DO NOT WANT.
Posted by Sal Minio
17th Street Canal
Member since Sep 2006
4180 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:07 pm to
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The future is electric.


I'd love to see her on the LSD. Whole lota'cackling.
Posted by MidWestGuy
Illinois
Member since Nov 2018
782 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:43 pm to
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quote:
Hydrogen - not electric. Toyota knows. Actually clean, not dependent on power grid,



Ohhh yea it is. It takes a ton of electricity to make hydrogen.

And storage. Hydrogen leaks muuuch easier than just air. Distributors’ and seller’s profits can just leak right into the atmosphere if you don’t have a way to seal that stuff up tight.


+1

And the hydrogen that isn't made with 'tons' of electricity, and the way most of it is made today, is by separating the hydrogen from a hydrocarbon (AKA "Fossil Fuel").

Yeah, hydrogen is not a solution to much of anything at all. It is storage, not an energy source.

Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
5594 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 5:45 pm to
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Whose fault is this?


Explain to me like I’m five how California never had brownouts or blackouts so there will never be a problem with charging an ev
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
6545 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 6:59 pm to
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The power grid in Texas failed from one winter storm.

With the discouragement for more natural gas development and coal-powered generation from the Biden Administration, how do they anticipate the grid holding up across the country when everyone has to stay warm and charge their vehicles at the same time?


Do you know why the grid froze up? Or just making noise?

Kamala is crowned Administration Electric Whore... she wants to be first laid in the back seat of an electric car, heel's up. Anyone stupid enough to plug in the charge cable into a electric car, then stand acting like they are pumping gas ...belongs working at the checkout in Publix

Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19549 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 8:24 pm to
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Hydrogen - not electric. Toyota knows.

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Actually clean, not dependent on power grid, still uses electric motors but powered by safe crash tested hydrogen fuel cells instead of lithium batteries.

Fill up in 5 min.

Problem is no infrastructure due to everyone on the non-scalable EV bandwagon.

Probably some grift scheme in play.


They'll get to some combination of fuel cells and batteries some day. W put a big push for fuel cell cars but it's still in process of development.

Need a bunch of high temperature nuclear plants for hydrolysis. The higher the water temperature the less electric power that is needed to split the hydrogen and oxygen in H2O.
Posted by tigerfive
Member since Nov 2020
490 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 8:43 pm to
The stupidest thing ever. 3 years ago, when a peak day pricing event was called, it was on hot days between 2-5pm. Now it's 6-9pm because everyone goes home and plugs in their cars. We didn't have rolling blackouts until EVs became ubiquitous.

I did my part, when Kia sent me a marketing survey after I bought my new minivan, they wanted to know if I would still buy it if it were offered as hybrid or electric only. NOPE.
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