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Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:59 am to a want
quote:Da fuq? Obama was still blaming Bush 6 years into office.
Trump's 1st economic report card:
So this report card is clearly...
Obamas fault.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:01 am to NC_Tigah
Yes? Sorry if I'm delivering bad news.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:03 am to bmy
quote:No. You're simply uninformed.
Yes? Sorry if I'm delivering bad news.
Of course the newest coal plants coming online are none too pleased to hear Trump is loosening regulations. But it is what it is.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:05 am to bmy
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and coal plants are still planning to shut their doors
The large majority of coal-fired generating stations have already been converted to natural gas. This is due to two factors, Obama's regulations and cheap gas. Rollbacks now are too late, firms won't make the capital investment to go back to coal, not until gas prices rise again - which they will.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:06 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
newest coal plants coming online
Where are these plants? No one is building coal-fired plants in America.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:16 am to The First Cut
quote:Houston TX and Kemper Co near Meridian MS. Both just went operational.
Where are these plants?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:23 am to bmy
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And the point of waiting would be what? Guaranteed 4-8 years of less regulation.. and coal plants are still planning to shut their doors
And that wouldn't have any thing to do with the regulations that Obama put in place, would it? The damage has already been done to a large degree.
Wasn't it Hillary Clinton herself that said the Democratic Party would put a lot of Coal workers out of work?
LINK
Now, granted, she went on to say she wanted to bring clean energy jobs to those areas, but it certainly shows a clear agenda to try to destroy the coal industry knowing it would cost jobs. How many coal workers do you think would have the background, education etc to go into new fields of work?
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 11:24 am
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:25 am to NC_Tigah
Do you realize that the Petra Nova link is a link announcing new technologies applied to an existing coal-fired plant. Kemper is a new lignite plant, but plans for it was started in 2010, prior to Obama's regulations and the collapse of gas prices. No one is starting new coal-fired plants now.
quote:
At 240 MW, Petra Nova is the world's largest post-combustion carbon capture facility installed on an existing coal-fueled power plant. The technology has the potential to enhance the long-term viability and sustainability of coal-fueled power plants across the U.S. and around the world.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 12:00 pm to The First Cut
quote:So lets get this straight Kemper is a brand new plant, but no one is starting new plants . . . well . . . except for Kemper and Petra Nova. Petra Nova is using CO2 byproduct to uniquely enhance oil field production, but according to you, there is no call for similar projects. That about sum it up?
Kemper is a new lignite plant, but plans for it was started in 2010, prior to Obama's regulations and the collapse of gas prices. No one is starting new coal-fired plants now.
Hydrogen Energy California, Holcolmb Expansion KS, Quintana South Heart Project ND, Texas Clean Energy Project TX are a few others in works, but they probably don't count. Amirite?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 12:53 pm to NC_Tigah
OK, I know you think that the Kemper site is because of Trump, but it takes 2 years to construct these sites. That's after years of design and permitting.
I worked in the industry and I would love to see coal make a comeback - but it's not anytime soon. Gas is just too cheap.
I worked in the industry and I would love to see coal make a comeback - but it's not anytime soon. Gas is just too cheap.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 12:56 pm to The First Cut
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You think he can change the direction of the economy in less than 100 days?
I don't but many here blame obama for the 2009 shitstorm.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 12:56 pm to a want
You have lost your mind. Obama inherited the "worst economy evah!!!!" And sluggish growth was Bush's fault for 6 years.
Do you think we don't see right through this disingenuous crap. Come on, man. You used to be capable of debate. You bring as much value and credibility as Toddy nowadays.
Do you think we don't see right through this disingenuous crap. Come on, man. You used to be capable of debate. You bring as much value and credibility as Toddy nowadays.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:32 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
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No. You're simply uninformed.
Of course the newest coal plants coming online are none too pleased to hear Trump is loosening regulations. But it is what it is.
Coal plant closures since November
Date Announced Plant Name Retired Units Capacity (MW) Location Retirement Date
Nov. 29, 2016 A.B. Brown 2 490 Mount Vernon, Ind. 2024
Nov. 30, 2016 F.B. Culley 2 360 Newburgh, Ind. 2024
Jan. 30 Stuart Station 4 2,318 Aberdeen, Ohio 2018
Jan. 30 Killeen Station 1 618 Wrightville, Ohio 2018
Feb. 13 Navajo Generating Station 3 2,250 Page, Ariz. 2019
Dec. 1, 2016 Roanoke Valley 2 2
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:35 pm to a want
Stock market growth is the 3rd highest of any president's first 100 days (going back to Ike).
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:40 pm to Tigerdev
No, I only said hiring is a sign of market confidence.....example, if I'm hiring, I expect demand will increase.
But Obama owns the 1st ate report on growth, thinking otherwise is moronic.
Ban bet it gets better 2nd qtr?
But Obama owns the 1st ate report on growth, thinking otherwise is moronic.
Ban bet it gets better 2nd qtr?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:42 pm to a want
quote:
Slowest growth in 3 years
That's great. It will look even better when the number comes out 3 years for now.
And you are the worst.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:43 pm to a want
Of course he has time to change course and make amends, but by all appearances, Trumpnomics sucks.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:53 pm to tarzana
None of Trump's policies are in place yet or passed....have patience.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:23 pm to a want
Trump has already made the economy better. If Obama were still POTUS, these numbers would be much worse.
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