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Trumpcare: Kudos to Most Posters Here
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:18 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:18 am
Judging by the threads started by the Obamaphone Trumpkins calling people cucks for not taking every inch of law Trump has down their throat, most posters here are staying ideologically consistent instead of going full Trumptard.
This bill is a steaming pile of shite that is every BIT the swamp that Trump was elected to get rid of. It very literally might actually be worse than Obamacare. They must think people are stupid to call this Repeal and Replace.
The appropriate move by Trump imo would have been to come up with a true free market solution which had thorough fiscal conservative credentials and push it hard. If it doesnt get passed? Go after the holdouts RABIDLY.....hold them up as examples of the sludge you're trying to clean out of congress and go after them hard in midterms. In other words ride the momentum that swept you into office. I can't help but think this repeal in name only weakens him politically after months of promising real action in this area.
All that being said, the vast majority of avid Trump supporters have called this spade a spade from the jump and that's something I absolutely respect. Sure there are still about 10 posters whose wives are being fricked by Trump as we speak, but those types seem to be dwindling.
Cheers to those choosing principle over politics!
This bill is a steaming pile of shite that is every BIT the swamp that Trump was elected to get rid of. It very literally might actually be worse than Obamacare. They must think people are stupid to call this Repeal and Replace.
The appropriate move by Trump imo would have been to come up with a true free market solution which had thorough fiscal conservative credentials and push it hard. If it doesnt get passed? Go after the holdouts RABIDLY.....hold them up as examples of the sludge you're trying to clean out of congress and go after them hard in midterms. In other words ride the momentum that swept you into office. I can't help but think this repeal in name only weakens him politically after months of promising real action in this area.
All that being said, the vast majority of avid Trump supporters have called this spade a spade from the jump and that's something I absolutely respect. Sure there are still about 10 posters whose wives are being fricked by Trump as we speak, but those types seem to be dwindling.
Cheers to those choosing principle over politics!
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 6:28 am
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:23 am to AUbused
I think the bill sucks and proves what many of us said during the primaries and election and that is that the GOP wants Obamacare to stay in place, and the whole "repeal and replace" mindset is that the GOP might repeal Obamacare but would replace it with something just as bad only more Chamber of Commerce friendly, a bill that pleases their donors
At the same time i fully expect that if this bill fails, many Republicans will throw their hands up and say "we tried but this issue is too complex, obamacare is law of the land so we might as well just accept it and focus on making it better oh and vote for me in 2018 so we can get right on that"
At the same time i fully expect that if this bill fails, many Republicans will throw their hands up and say "we tried but this issue is too complex, obamacare is law of the land so we might as well just accept it and focus on making it better oh and vote for me in 2018 so we can get right on that"
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:33 am to AUbused
The bill could be better for sure, especially when they have had 7 years to build consensus. That is my greatest disappointment.
You are fighting divergent constituencies within the (R) on healthcare; however, this is one of three (3) key (R) voter issues that you need to be on the right side of (1) Obamacare repeal (2) immigration/terror and (3) tax cuts.
I don't know to what extent yet, but I do anticipate some consequences in the next election for the (R)s that impede progress, stall, support establishment positions, etc.
You are fighting divergent constituencies within the (R) on healthcare; however, this is one of three (3) key (R) voter issues that you need to be on the right side of (1) Obamacare repeal (2) immigration/terror and (3) tax cuts.
I don't know to what extent yet, but I do anticipate some consequences in the next election for the (R)s that impede progress, stall, support establishment positions, etc.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:36 am to AUbused
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It very literally might actually be worse than Obamacare.
Now we know you're an idiot.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:38 am to USMCTiger03
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Now we know you're an idiot.
Now we know Trump is fricking your wife as we speak.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:41 am to weptiger
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I don't know to what extent yet, but I do anticipate some consequences in the next election for the (R)s that impede progress, stall, support establishment positions, etc.
This is why meaningless wedge issues like gay marriage or abortion or supporting Israel are so prominent, to distract their constituents from their legislative failures.
Yeah voters will get mad that their rep was not serious about repealing Obamacare but come re election time they will just say the right things like I oppose abortion and cruise to re election. Look at John McCain. If he can continue to get re elected we are screwed
Most of the GOP is no different than the democrats and don't want to actually repeal Obamacare. Their donors won't allow it. So they have to pretend like they want to repeal it while at the same time supporting a replacement bill that pleases the donors. A full repeal won't please the donors so they don't do it
I am telling you. When this bill fails we will see a lot of Republicans throw in the towel on Obamacare. Yeah their base will be mad temporarily but come 2018 they will still manage to get re elected anyway
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:45 am to goldennugget
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I am telling you. When this bill fails we will see a lot of Republicans throw in the towel on Obamacare. Yeah their base will be mad temporarily but come 2018 they will still manage to get re elected anyway
Do you think it could be the case that they don't really want to repeal because their constituents actually don't want them to? A lot of people in the south get those subsidies.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:45 am to goldennugget
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This is why meaningless wedge issues like gay marriage or abortion or supporting Israel are so prominent, to distract their constituents from their legislative failures.
Virtue signaling on both sides of the aisle. Cory "I support abortion, so pay no attention to the pharma dick sucking" Booker and Paul "Gays shouldn't get married, and here's a shitty healthcare bill" Ryan.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:46 am to AUbused
you really think that getting rid of pre existing conditions coverage is going to be popular? because that's the hill this divide between republicans is being fought on. trump wants to keep pre existing coverage protection the freedom caucus is against that. 50% of americans have coverage through our employers. we all have pre existing condition coverage. 30% of americans have medicare, they have pre existing condition coverage. the only people without it would be those who are purchasing insurance in the individual market.
do you think politically that's a winner?
as for the free market in heath care, tell me the free market case for spending 1.4 million dollars on a pre mature baby spending 8 weeks in a neonatal intensive care unit. there isn't one and i'm not ragging on the free market it just doesn't apply in that case. by the way it's not that the cost would be lower without insurance neonatal intensive care wouldn't exist with out insurance. the practice of neonatal intensive care wouldn't exist without it, it would have remained outside the sphere of affordability.
do you think politically that's a winner?
as for the free market in heath care, tell me the free market case for spending 1.4 million dollars on a pre mature baby spending 8 weeks in a neonatal intensive care unit. there isn't one and i'm not ragging on the free market it just doesn't apply in that case. by the way it's not that the cost would be lower without insurance neonatal intensive care wouldn't exist with out insurance. the practice of neonatal intensive care wouldn't exist without it, it would have remained outside the sphere of affordability.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:47 am to tedmarkuson
Dude I seriously wanted to read that, but for fricks sake the LEAST you could do is use capitalization.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:51 am to AUbused
Whatever happened to repeal and REPAIR? ObamaCare could be a gem with a little tweaking.
The new bill is a steaming dog turd on a frosty morning.
The new bill is a steaming dog turd on a frosty morning.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 6:59 am to AUbused
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the LEAST you could do is use capitalization.
How about you just answer the question. Do you think getting rid of pre existing condition coverage in the market for individual health insurance will be popular?
All nice and capped. I'm thinking that wasn't the problem, now why would i think that?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:14 am to goldennugget
quote:Many Rs (and all Prog/Left Ds) in Congress are poster children for why term limits would benefit ordinary American citizens.
Most of the GOP is no different than the democrats
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:15 am to tedmarkuson
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Do you think getting rid of pre existing condition coverage in the market for individual health insurance will be popular
Pre-existing conditions is certainly not free-market, the opposite actually. I do believe you are correct in your assertion that most Americans want to keep that as moral stance. However, Paul's plan does defer their care to medicaid while establishing high-risk pools. Will that fly politically, probably not. I'm not necessarily saying it has to be this rigidly free-market solution because I acknowledge political reality. But the starting position should have been Rand's, not Ryans. Work toward the middle from the right, not the left.
What ISN'T ok is shifting subsidies to tax credits and throwing a couple more scraps to conservatives and acting like you repealed and replaced. That my friend is fricking garbage.
Also, thank you for the caps.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:16 am to AUbused
Donald Trump is my employee. And if he doesn't perform up to par, in four years I (and others) will tell him
"You're fired!"
I have high hopes for his administration, that he will drain the swamp
but my hope and faith is placed on the movement, not in the personality, he has to prove himself everyday
this health care bill has been a debacle and Paul Ryan has acted like a chump...maybe the bill will be rescued in phases 2 and 3
time will tell
"You're fired!"
I have high hopes for his administration, that he will drain the swamp
but my hope and faith is placed on the movement, not in the personality, he has to prove himself everyday
this health care bill has been a debacle and Paul Ryan has acted like a chump...maybe the bill will be rescued in phases 2 and 3
time will tell
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:23 am to AUbused
He fricked up by promising to repeal and replace as soon as he took office, he should have let the ACA continue it's death spiral and in the mean time start implementing the rest of his agenda. He could have dealt with health care in early 2018, which would have given his administration plenty of time to think this shite through. 
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:24 am to AUbused
I thought Trump was a deal maker? Well, he's 0-1.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:26 am to AUbused
How could so many posters on this board be so god damn retarded that ey don't understand the limitations of the reconciliation process?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:29 am to AUbused
I havent seen anyone hold trump accountable for whipping for it.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:30 am to AUbused
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It very literally might actually be worse than Obamacare.
Now we know you're an idiot.
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