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re: Trump trying to end birthright citizenship
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:50 am to BRTigerDad
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:50 am to BRTigerDad
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No, a law cannot violate the 14th Amendment either.
The 14th A is as clear and direct as it gets. If you are born here then you are a citizen, period.
Nothing short of an Amendment to the 14th A will change that.
No it isn't that clear.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside
Therein lies the wiggle room. It can and should be decided that Citizen parents of another country who spit out a baby in the US should not allow their baby to automatically be granted US citizenship
It should require one of the parents to already hold US citizenship
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 6:51 am
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Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:50 am to BRTigerDad
He’s the President and he can do whatever he wants.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:54 am to The Maj
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So, if an amendment included a statement that said “shall not be infringed”, then the courts cannot interpret it or limit it in any way?
I also think you could benefit from a bit of history, check out Ronald Reagan and the NRA.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:55 am to BRTigerDad
quote:
BRTigerDad
AI says there is a 90% chance you are a government employee.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:56 am to Vastmind
Alternative title to this thread: Trump trying to get humiliated in court
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:57 am to BRTigerDad
"Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
The democrats and open borders people have long interpreted this section of the 14th amendment to support anchor babies. In fact, it does no such thing. A foreigner visiting the United States is not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" as evidenced by the fact that 1. they do not have to file and pay taxes and 2. they have to go home after some predetermined period of time.
So you see, simply being born in the United States is not enough to convey citizenship. There is another qualifier there.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
The democrats and open borders people have long interpreted this section of the 14th amendment to support anchor babies. In fact, it does no such thing. A foreigner visiting the United States is not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" as evidenced by the fact that 1. they do not have to file and pay taxes and 2. they have to go home after some predetermined period of time.
So you see, simply being born in the United States is not enough to convey citizenship. There is another qualifier there.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 6:58 am
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:59 am to BRTigerDad
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Clearly unconstitutional.
No. It's not. At all, actually.
In fact, there's a clear question as to whether it is legal or required under US law. Supreme Court has NEVER ruled on the issue (other than a passing footnote in Plyler v. Doe, which is dicta).
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:02 am to Boatshoes
So now you're trying to hang your hat on "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"?
Well, ok then, let's consider that.
Assume that a Russian family visits a Trump property with the intent to give birth, and while here, they commit a crime. Or they try to avoid paying for rental fees at the property.
Would that Russian family be subject to the jurisdiction of our courts?
Well, ok then, let's consider that.
Assume that a Russian family visits a Trump property with the intent to give birth, and while here, they commit a crime. Or they try to avoid paying for rental fees at the property.
Would that Russian family be subject to the jurisdiction of our courts?
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:03 am to BRTigerDad
Talk about jumping the shark...
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:03 am to Revelator
quote:
Trump trying to end birthright citizenship
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It should have never been implemented at all.
It wasn't.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:05 am to BRTigerDad
quote:
BRTigerDad
Your kids are embarrassed for you
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:09 am to Boatshoes
Illegal immigrants are subject to the jurisdiction of the US you imbecile. That clause was written for Native American tribes who were not subject to the sovereignty of the US.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:11 am to BRTigerDad
quote:Not clearly.
What an absolute fricking idiot. Again.
Clearly unconstitutional.
One thing you learn in dealing with contracts or law is there are no "extraneous" words. Interestingly, the 14th Amendment does NOT say:
quote:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
The 14th Amendment says
quote:That phrase is a troublesome little thing indeed. It is especially troublesome in this environment of courts refusing to strike down sanctuary cities, forcing release of illegal aliens, and otherwise implying our domestic laws do not fully apply to illegals.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Two folks show up at the hospital, running from police and injured. They will get reported and turned over. OTOH, two illegal immigrants running from ICE, show up at the hospital to have a baby. They will not get reported and turned over. In fact were the facility or individuals in it to try turning the illegals over, they would be subject to legal retribution.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:11 am to CommoDawg
You are my favorite poster. 18 year old who thinks he knows it all. Not a cliche at all. You’re special....like your mom tells you.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:13 am to papasmurf1269
Add another amendment to the constitution.
"Anyone who votes for a Democratic Presidential candidate is financially responsible for the education, healthcare, housing and utilities, and food of any person born on their property."
Watch how fast they build walls around their property
"Anyone who votes for a Democratic Presidential candidate is financially responsible for the education, healthcare, housing and utilities, and food of any person born on their property."
Watch how fast they build walls around their property
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:13 am to papasmurf1269
This would get laughed at in court.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:15 am to BBONDS25
quote:
BBONDS25
And you're a fake lawyer who knows jackshit about the law.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:16 am to CommoDawg
quote:They are indeed illegal.
Illegal immigrants are subject to the jurisdiction of the US you imbecile.
So when captured, are they jailed?
When in sanctuary cities, are they "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States Federal Government?
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:17 am to CommoDawg
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And you're a fake lawyer who knows jackshit about the law.
You see. This is why you’re my favorite. A freshman in college claiming to know anything about the law...and so sure he know what others know. Absolutely zero self awareness. It’s beautiful. This site is awesome. Please don’t ever change. This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 7:20 am
Posted on 10/30/18 at 7:17 am to Wtodd
quote:This is not a bad thing. Can you give some examples of things done by Congress that have worked out well for citizens?
quote:
This should go through congress
Yeah the epitome of not getting shite done
Most of what Congress does is screw up the fix up from what previous Congress's screwed up in the 1st place.
Congress is the solution to the mess they made, just ask them. Some will even try to convince you there needs to be more govt. to fix the mess made by less than ever increasing govt..
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