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Trump/Tillerson Propose Converting Foreign Aid to Loans

Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:46 pm
Posted by RFK
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:46 pm
On average, The State Department's OSA receives roughly 6 billion a year to spend as they see fit as 'military aid' across the globe.

Israel gets roughly half, with the rest spread among the other countries of the world, mostly in the Middle East since 9/11.

Pakistan receives only $250 million, which is slated to be cut by more than half if Congress approves.

However, the biggest change is that DJT wants to make these grants loans, requiring the receiving countries to pay them back or write them off with equal value exchange.

I think this is a bad idea; there is a reason no president has ever suggested forcing countries to pay back grants, especially when we see the good donating excess money as foreign aid in troubled countries (mainly in reducing terrorism against the US, but most people fail to see that).

These countries (which does NOT include Israel) would be less inclined to accept aid, and we would be hamstrung with no leverage for influence in the region.

Honestly Trump approaches issues with a 12-year old's understanding of the world. You can't strong-arm people into doing what you want; you lose influence that way.

Countries that would see their foreign aid turned into foreign lons include:

Pakistan
Lebanon
Tunisia
Ukraine
Phillipines

All of these countries are valuable allies in de-stabilized regions of the world. Imagine what will happen if we lose the ability to influence these governments.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:07 pm
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69895 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:49 pm to
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Countries that would see their foreign aid turned into foreign lons include:

Pakistan
Labanon
Tunisia
Ukraine
Phillipines



frick em
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:51 pm to
If you have to buy your friends, you have no friends.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:51 pm to
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RFK


Why do you want to protect free loaders and who want more free shite?
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6283 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:52 pm to
There will be at least 20 people defending this and telling you why it's a great idea. They don't really believe it though.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:52 pm to
Why do they send us their peoples if we're paying them, too?

Why should we send their shitty governments money...what if we just gave their poorest people $100 each?
It's bad policy either way.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69895 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:52 pm to
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Why do you want to protect free loaders and who want more free shite?





Probably because he's a free loader who wants free shite.
Posted by DreauxB2015
Member since Nov 2015
7719 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:57 pm to
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donating excess money as foreign aid in troubled countries
Were 20 trillion in debt their is no excess .Have a downvote and post less. Good Day spank:
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:03 pm
Posted by RFK
Squire Creek
Member since May 2012
1308 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:58 pm to
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If you have to buy your friends, you have no friends.
We can't afford to be that naive. That looks great on a bumper sticker slapped on some shite-box Ford Raptor, but anyone with any sense knows it's ridiculous when you're dealing with foreign policy.

And why should Israel, the biggest recipient i a long shot, continue to receive substantial grants when they have been caught spying on us?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139782 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:59 pm to
Facts aren't naive. I understand we have to buy friends but I also know that they aren't friends.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67678 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:59 pm to
Have we gotten paid back from WWI and WWII loans?
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29650 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:00 pm to
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These countries (which does NOT include Israel) would be less inclined to accept aid, and we would be hamstrung with no leverage for influence in the region.


so, the only way to continue to have influence is to bribe them with money we don't have and cannit afford?

I am not an expert here, but on the surface, I agree with Trump
Posted by Dead End
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Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:04 pm to
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I think this is a bad idea; there is a reason no president has ever suggested forcing countries to pay back grants, especially when we see the good donating excess money as foreign aid in troubled countries



Wtf is excess money? I'm not familiar with that concept.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35606 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:04 pm to
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Labanon


Fake News. Fake Country.

To your point, the aid is a nice carrot for access in our strategic interest. I agree it is not a great idea to turn it into loans, because we're paying them aid to get something out of it. If we aren't, stop sending aid, don't complicate it with some stupid loan process.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:08 pm to
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Honestly Trump approaches issues with a 12-year old's understanding of the world.


You have a 12 year olds understanding of Trump.
Posted by bencoleman
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Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:13 pm to
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we aren't, stop sending aid, don't complicate it with some stupid loan process


It's my understanding that a good bit of the aid that we give to certain countries is used to pay down their debt to begin with so something doesn't sound right about this.
Posted by bencoleman
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Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:14 pm to
Dp
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:15 pm
Posted by tigercreole
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Member since Jul 2013
3294 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:24 pm to
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frick em

Bet I can guess your ethnicity.
#MAGA
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:29 pm to
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Bet I can guess your ethnicity.


Ah, a racist joke. What a new and enlightening concept.
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