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re: Trump: NFL needs to respect National Anthem or business will go to Hell
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:00 pm to DawgfaninCa
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:00 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I knew you would try to get the last word or in this case the last letter.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 1:11 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:And what you specifically said is incorrect. An opinion is not, and cannot ever be, a fact. The underlying facts and reasons for your having the opinion can be proven to be true, which strengthens the opinion. But in order for your opinion to "become" a fact, it must be rephrased as a statement of fact.
I specifically said an opinion based on correctly extrapolating facts or knowledge may be or can be a fact.
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If a claim or opinion is verified, measured, observed, or is in any other way objectively proven to be correct or indisputably the case then it is a fact.
It doesn't matter how many times you say it, an opinion still cannot be proven true or false. If a claim is in any way testable, then it is a statement of fact. If it has yet to be proven true, then it is a statement of fact of undetermined accuracy. quote:
That's nonsense.
quote:You STILL don't fricking get it. It does not matter what facts or knowledge the claim is BASED ON. What matters is the presentation of the claim itself. Is the claim stated in a way that is provable? If so, it is a statement of fact. Is the claim stated in a way that is not provable? If so, it is a statement of opinion. That's all there is to it.
An opinion can be objectively based on fact or knowledge alone.
You claim that sea serpents exist. That is a statement of fact, even though it has yet to be proven true. The claim is provable.
I claim that sea serpents are a threat to the bay area ecosystem. That is a statement of opinion. It cannot be proved true or false. Even if it turns out sea serpents do exist, and we find out that they destroy every other living thing they come across, and they eventually become the only living thing in the bay area waters... my opinion has still not been proven true. Why? Because someone else can be of the opinion that sea serpents, being natural creatures and part of the ecosystem, are not a threat to the ecosystem. There is no factual basis for what is or is not a threat to an ecosystem. Perhaps sea serpent domination is the most natural state of the ecosystem, and all the other life that used to exist in the ecosystem were the real threats. Neither opinion is provable. Both are valid points of view.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 1:14 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:quote:I hate to clue you in but in this scenario, I am the cat and you are the mouse.
I will add more later when I'm not on my phone, mostly because I just like giving you hell about sea serpents...
I don't care what I am in this scenario, as long as you keep talking about sea serpents, I am entertained.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 1:17 am to ssgrice
quote:No, no he shouldn't. Not only is it an extreme waste of time, but it is counter to the ideals of a free nation.
As the elected leader of this country, he should comment on disrespecting the National Anthem.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:46 am to Korkstand
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An opinion is not, and cannot ever be, a fact.
Sure it can.
Here's an example that's happening in my own life.
Last month the San Francisco Sunshine Ordinance Task Force (SOTF) voted in my favor to reverse their previous vote at their October 4th meeting.
From that fact, I can have the opinion that at October's SOTF meeting (October 4th) the SOTF will vote to overturn their previous vote.
It is a fact even though at this time it is also just my opinion since the October 4th SOTF meeting hasn't occurred yet.
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an opinion still cannot be proven true or false.
My opinion regarding what the SOTF is going to do at its October 4th meeting will be proven true on October 4th.
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You STILL don't fricking get it. It does not matter what facts or knowledge the claim is BASED ON. What matters is the presentation of the claim itself. Is the claim stated in a way that is provable? If so, it is a statement of fact. Is the claim stated in a way that is not provable? If so, it is a statement of opinion. That's all there is to it.
Some opinions can be proven to be true. I just gave you an example of an opinion based on facts that can be proven to be true.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:56 am to Korkstand
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As the elected leader of this country, he should comment on disrespecting the National Anthem.
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No, no he shouldn't. Not only is it an extreme waste of time, but it is counter to the ideals of a free nation.
The ideals of our free nation are visibly represented by our flag so you and the other people who are in favor of those ideals becoming reality one day should be standing up with their right hand over their heart instead of taking a knee.
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