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re: Trump: NFL needs to respect National Anthem or business will go to Hell
Posted on 9/29/17 at 10:43 am to Korkstand
Posted on 9/29/17 at 10:43 am to Korkstand
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Not when someone expresses an obviously insane opinion which is what you are doing.
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The existence of something that most people on the planet don't think exists is not a fact in their opinion but in reality it is a fact that sea serpents exist since I have the evidence that proves it is a fact that sea serpents exist.
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And I'm the insane one?
Yes.
At least I have video and photographic evidence that proves my "claim" that sea serpents exist is correct.
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If something actually exists then it is a fact it exists even if everyone on the planet thinks it doesn't exist.
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Correct. What I'm trying to tell you is that no one can have an opinion that sea serpents exist, because such a statement is within the realm of the verifiable.
Meh, a lot of people can have the opinion that they believe sea serpents exist but there are only a few people who can have the opinion that they know it's a fact that sea serpents exist because they have seen with their own eyes the evidence that sea serpents exist.
I am one of those few people who know it's a fact that sea serpents exist.
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In the case of sea serpents existing, it is a fact that my brother and I had a definitive close sighting of a sea serpent on February 5, 1985 even if everyone on the planet thinks we didn't have a definitive close sighting of a sea serpent on February 5, 1985.
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I assume you're talking about the video we've all seen...
You assume wrong as usual.
I'm talking about my and my brother's first sighting of a sea serpent which occurred on February 5, 1985 when we saw the animal expose its entire body except for its tail above the surface of the water only 20 yards away from us.
We didn't take our first video of a sea serpent in SF Bay until 2004.
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It is your opinion that your "sighting" was "close". In my opinion, that "sighting" was "far away". So far, in fact, that there is absolutely nothing definitive proven by that tape.
Now that you know I am talking about my and my brother's first sighting of a sea serpent from only 20 yards away, is it your "opinion" that 20 yards is a close sighting?
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My apologies if you're talking about another sighting which was not captured on video, in which case there is zero evidence to verify that fact. I would refer to that as an unproven fact, or just generally a claim. It is definitely not an opinion.
You don't need to apologize to me for your own ignorance.
It doesn't matter if everyone on the planet except me believes that sea serpents don't exist. It's still a fact that sea serpents actually exist even if they haven't seen any evidence for the existence of sea serpents.
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If I see a mountain lion in my backyard and tell my neighbors that it is a fact there was a mountain lion in my backyard but my neighbors don't believe it is a fact that there was a mountain lion in my backyard because there has never been a sighting of a mountain lion in that area and there is no evidence in my backyard that a mountain lion was in my back yard, my neighbors' disbelief does not alter the fact that a mountain lion was in my backyard and that I saw it in my backyard.
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All correct.
Since you agree with that statement then when "mountain lion" is replaced with "sea serpent. you must also agree with the statement.
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An opinion that is based on facts can be a fact even if no one believes that opinion can be a fact.
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Ugh.
If you make a statement or claim that is based on facts (as opposed to based on feelings, views, or beliefs), then it is not an opinion. If the claim is phrased in a way that makes it verifiable, then it is not an opinion.
Many opinions are based on facts which are verifiable.
A good example is when before we ever sent a man to the moon, scientists had the opinion that we could send a man to the moon based on the laws of physics and other scientific facts.
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Again, by example:
Grapes are the best fruit.
Trump is the greatest threat to social justice in america today.
Both of those statements are strictly opinions. They express the views or beliefs of a particular person. Neither can be verified or disproved. There cannot exist a piece of evidence that makes either statement true or false. That is just the way the language works, man. It doesn't matter how strongly you believe either statement to be incorrect; you cannot invalidate an opinion via your own opposing opinion. I don't know what else to say to help you to understand.
You use examples of opinions that deal with what is the "best" or "greatest" which are subjective in nature.
Some opinions don't deal with what is subjective such as when scientists had the opinion that we can send a man to the moon because their opinion was based on actual scientific laws and facts that were known at the time.
The definition of opinion is, "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."
That means an opinion may be based on facts.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 10:48 am
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 11:56 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:Ugh, I'm trying to tell you that "opinion" is not the right word to use here.
Meh, a lot of people can have the opinion that they believe sea serpents exist but there are only a few people who can have the opinion that they know it's a fact that sea serpents exist because they have seen with their own eyes the evidence that sea serpents exist.
I am one of those few people who know it's a fact that sea serpents exist.
quote:Well, you'll have to excuse my incorrect assumption. In my defense, the quality of your 2004 video looks like it was shot in the 80s.
You assume wrong as usual.
I'm talking about my and my brother's first sighting of a sea serpent which occurred on February 5, 1985 when we saw the animal expose its entire body except for its tail above the surface of the water only 20 yards away from us.
We didn't take our first video of a sea serpent in SF Bay until 2004.
quote:Yeah, 20 yards is pretty close for a giant sea serpent sighting. IMO.
Now that you know I am talking about my and my brother's first sighting of a sea serpent from only 20 yards away, is it your "opinion" that 20 yards is a close sighting?
quote:Then please pardon me for being ignorant of your own personal life experiences.
You don't need to apologize to me for your own ignorance.
quote:We can't call it a fact without (much) more evidence. What we can say, though, is that your claim is a statement of fact (as opposed to a statement of opinion).
It doesn't matter if everyone on the planet except me believes that sea serpents don't exist. It's still a fact that sea serpents actually exist even if they haven't seen any evidence for the existence of sea serpents.
quote:Sure. If you say "I saw a sea serpent", that is a claim that can possibly be proven. If, instead, you say "I saw something that looked like a sea serpent", there is no way to dispute that. If it looked like a sea serpent to you, there is no way to prove or disprove that statement. It is an opinion.
Since you agree with that statement then when "mountain lion" is replaced with "sea serpent. you must also agree with the statement.
quote:It's all in the phrasing. Words have meaning, you know. Yeah, some definitions are up for interpretation, but there's a pretty clear difference between "fact" and "opinion".
Many opinions are based on facts which are verifiable.
A good example is when before we ever sent a man to the moon, scientists had the opinion that we could send a man to the moon based on the laws of physics and other scientific facts.
A claim that we can send a man to the moon is in no way an opinion. There is a very straightforward way to test the claim: send a man to the moon.
If someone were to say "I think we can send a man to the moon", that is an opinion. It is subjective, a statement based on what that person thinks. It may be possible to change that person's opinion by presenting or discovering new facts, but we can't test the opinion. We cannot falsify the opinion, because a person's thought is the person's thought. It is simply a fact that the opinion exists.
quote:Are you starting to get it now?
You use examples of opinions that deal with what is the "best" or "greatest" which are subjective in nature.
quote:Just because you call it an opinion doesn't make it an opinion. As I hope you are starting to understand, it depends on whether the phrasing is subjective or objective.
Some opinions don't deal with what is subjective such as when scientists had the opinion that we can send a man to the moon because their opinion was based on actual scientific laws and facts that were known at the time.
quote:Absolutely. If you were to go around spouting opinions that are not based on facts, then most would just call you a crazy person.
The definition of opinion is, "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."
That means an opinion may be based on facts.
So let's talk about my opinion that grapes are the best fruit. First, grapes are indeed a fruit (fact). They are bite-sized (fact), which is convenient (opinion). They come in a variety of flavors to suit different tastes (fact). The peel is edible (fact), which is nice (opinion).
My opinions, and those of most of us, are usually based on facts. That does not change the fact that they are opinions.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 11:58 am to Volkosoby
lets not forget, the NFL is an old enemy of Trump's and he sued the heck out of them and continued the suit until he ultimately won a symbolic $1.00 judgment
he never lets these things go, never.
he never lets these things go, never.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 12:36 pm to Korkstand
I read the first page and then skipped to this page.
WTF are DawgfaninCA and Corkstand even talking about?
My head just exploded.
WTF are DawgfaninCA and Corkstand even talking about?
My head just exploded.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 12:47 pm to Salamander_Wilson
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WTF are DawgfaninCA and Corkstand even talking about?
My head just exploded.
Basically, Dawgfan cannot grasp the fact that another person's opinion is valid whether he agrees with it or not.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:15 pm to Korkstand
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Meh, a lot of people can have the opinion that they believe sea serpents exist but there are only a few people who can have the opinion that they know it's a fact that sea serpents exist because they have seen with their own eyes the evidence that sea serpents exist.
I am one of those few people who know it's a fact that sea serpents exist.
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Ugh, I'm trying to tell you that "opinion" is not the right word to use here.
You also told me:
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...an opinion is not a fact at all.
I provided you with the definition of opinion which is, "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."
That means an opinion can be based on fact or knowledge which means that opinion can be a fact.
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Well, you'll have to excuse my incorrect assumption.
You should get your facts straight so you don't make incorrect assumptions.
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In my defense, the quality of your 2004 video looks like it was shot in the 80s.
I know you haven't examined my 2004 video as close as I and several other people have.
The quality of my video is good enough to contain enough data that proves for a fact sea serpents exist.
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Yeah, 20 yards is pretty close for a giant sea serpent sighting. IMO.
Do you think 20 yards is so close that it would be impossible for someone to mistake a known animal or a inanimate object for a 60+ foot long sea serpent from only 20 yards away?
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You don't need to apologize to me for your own ignorance.
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Then please pardon me for being ignorant of your own personal life experiences.
I've made it clear many times at this site that my and my brother's first and closest sighting of a sea serpent was on February 5, 1985 and that our first video was taken in 2004 from a distance of at least a mile away.
I also gave a link to my blog where those facts are also mentioned.
I can't help it if you choose not to learn or remember those facts.
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It doesn't matter if everyone on the planet except me believes that sea serpents don't exist. It's still a fact that sea serpents actually exist even if they haven't seen any evidence for the existence of sea serpents.
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We can't call it a fact without (much) more evidence. What we can say, though, is that your claim is a statement of fact (as opposed to a statement of opinion).
Meh, when an unknown animal actually exists then it is a fact that the unknown animal exists even if no one knows it's a fact that the unknown animal actually exists.
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Since you agree with that statement then when "mountain lion" is replaced with "sea serpent. you must also agree with the statement.
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Sure. If you say "I saw a sea serpent", that is a claim that can possibly be proven. If, instead, you say "I saw something that looked like a sea serpent", there is no way to dispute that. If it looked like a sea serpent to you, there is no way to prove or disprove that statement. It is an opinion.
I have never said, "I saw something that looked like a sea serpent". I have always said, "I saw a sea serpent" and I also said, "I am 100% certain that what I saw was a sea serpent".
When describing what the animal looked like, I have said the closest animal that it looked like was a dragon which is supposedly mythological.
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It's all in the phrasing. Words have meaning, you know. Yeah, some definitions are up for interpretation, but there's a pretty clear difference between "fact" and "opinion".
Some opinions are based on ignorance while other opinions are based on fact or knowledge.
I'm specifically talking about an opinion that is based on fact or knowledge which means the opinion may also be a fact.
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A claim that we can send a man to the moon is in no way an opinion. There is a very straightforward way to test the claim: send a man to the moon.
If someone were to say "I think we can send a man to the moon", that is an opinion. It is subjective, a statement based on what that person thinks. It may be possible to change that person's opinion by presenting or discovering new facts, but we can't test the opinion. We cannot falsify the opinion, because a person's thought is the person's thought. It is simply a fact that the opinion exists.
If someone says their opinion is "we can send a man to the moon" based on scientific facts or knowledge then their opinion can be tested.
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Some opinions don't deal with what is subjective such as when scientists had the opinion that we can send a man to the moon because their opinion was based on actual scientific laws and facts that were known at the time.
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Just because you call it an opinion doesn't make it an opinion. As I hope you are starting to understand, it depends on whether the phrasing is subjective or objective.
Again, an opinion can be subjective or objective.
If an opinion is based on ignorance then the opinion is subjective but if the opinion is based on fact or knowledge then the opinion is objective.
If before I had a close definitive sighting of a sea serpent I said, "sea serpents exist" based solely on my own ignorance then it would be a subjective opinion but if I said, "sea serpents exist" after seeing a sea serpent expose its entire body except for its tail above the surface of the water only 20 yards away from me then it is an objective opinion based on fact and knowledge.
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The definition of opinion is, "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."
That means an opinion may be based on facts.
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Absolutely. If you were to go around spouting opinions that are not based on facts, then most would just call you a crazy person.
Then you are admitting you were wrong when you posted:
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...an opinion is not a fact at all.
An opinion can be a fact.
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My opinions, and those of most of us, are usually based on facts. That does not change the fact that they are opinions.
When your opinion is based on facts then your opinion may be a fact depending on whether your opinion is based on extrapolating the facts correctly.
For example, when my brother and I had our first sighting of a sea serpent on February 5, 1985, the fact that we just saw a sea serpent made us have the opinion that we couldn't be so lucky that we would see the sea serpent the only time the sea serpent ever entered SF Bay and that it would re-enter SF some day in the future.
Based on that objective opinion, we staked out the area at the same time of day and year for several years.
Sure enough, our objective opinion was a fact because the animal returned to SF Bay during the same time of day and year as our first sighting.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:24 pm to Korkstand
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WTF are DawgfaninCA and Corkstand even talking about?
My head just exploded.
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Basically, Dawgfan cannot grasp the fact that another person's opinion is valid whether he agrees with it or not.
Since my opinion that sea serpents exist is based on fact and knowledge because I saw a sea serpent expose its entire body except for its tail above the surface of the water only 20 yards away from me and someone else's opinion that I didn't see a sea serpent is based solely on the ignorant belief that sea serpents don't exist and are just a myth then that person's opinion is invalid and my opinion is valid.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:28 pm to Volkosoby
I cancelled the ticket.. F em
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:32 pm to DawgfaninCa
I will add more later when I'm not on my phone, mostly because I just like giving you hell about sea serpents, but the gist of it is you are assuming that any claim based on facts is itself a fact. This is simply not true.
It's really not that difficult. If a claim can be verified, measured, observed, or is in any other way objective, then it is a statement of fact.
If a claim is subjective, as in based on views, feelings, or any other unmeasurable thing, then it is an opinion. What actual facts the opinion is based on is irrelevant. An opinion is one's interpretation of information. An expression of something internal, which is obviously distinct and separate from the facts or information that opinion itself is based on. The opinion is its own entity. Do you understand this?
It's really not that difficult. If a claim can be verified, measured, observed, or is in any other way objective, then it is a statement of fact.
If a claim is subjective, as in based on views, feelings, or any other unmeasurable thing, then it is an opinion. What actual facts the opinion is based on is irrelevant. An opinion is one's interpretation of information. An expression of something internal, which is obviously distinct and separate from the facts or information that opinion itself is based on. The opinion is its own entity. Do you understand this?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:43 pm to DawgfaninCa
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sea serpents
Never gets old.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:48 pm to Korkstand
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I will add more later when I'm not on my phone, mostly because I just like giving you hell about sea serpents, but the gist of it is you are assuming that any claim based on facts is itself a fact. This is simply not true.
What's simply not true is that I am assuming any claim based on facts is itself a fact.
I specifically said an opinion based on correctly extrapolating facts or knowledge may be or can be a fact.
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It's really not that difficult. If a claim can be verified, measured, observed, or is in any other way objective, then it is a statement of fact.
If a claim or opinion is verified, measured, observed, or is in any other way objectively proven to be correct or indisputably the case then it is a fact.
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If a claim is subjective, as in based on views, feelings, or any other unmeasurable thing, then it is an opinion. What actual facts the opinion is based on is irrelevant. An opinion is one's interpretation of information. An expression of something internal, which is obviously distinct and separate from the facts or information that opinion itself is based on. The opinion is its own entity. Do you understand this?
That's nonsense.
An opinion can be objectively based on fact or knowledge alone.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:53 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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sea serpents
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Never gets old.
Never gonna stop telling the truth that sea serpents exist.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:54 pm to DawgfaninCa
Good.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:56 pm to Korkstand
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I will add more later when I'm not on my phone, mostly because I just like giving you hell about sea serpents...
I hate to clue you in but in this scenario, I am the cat and you are the mouse.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:59 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Good.
It's irrelevant what you think about me telling the truth that sea serpents exist.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:11 pm to DawgfaninCa
I just think it's great that you'll never stop telling the story.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:25 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I just think it's great that you'll never stop telling the story.
You can think it's great that I will never stop telling people about the animals my brother and I saw and videotaped but what you think is irrelevant to the fact that sea serpents exist.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:37 pm to DawgfaninCa
OK.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:40 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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OK.
K.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:00 pm to Korkstand
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they want the president to keep his trap shut about things he has no business commenting on.
As the elected leader of this country, he should comment on disrespecting the National Anthem.
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