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Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:01 am to sabes que
quote:It's a fair question.
where exactly did this happen and in which year? What, are you kidding me?
Children that young were put to work but you said for a certain type of shift. So, examples would be good.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:02 am to SettleDown
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:03 am to KeyserSoze999
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so you're saying he chose to work rather than starve?
It's not a 'choice' when the option is death.
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It would be nice if the entitlement crowd had this choice
Hunger is nature's prime motivator.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:05 am to sabes que
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True Laissez faire capitalism is also very idealistic and naive. This is because it relies on the good will and nature of the people who have to help out those who cannot help themselves.
I would argue that this is a false presumption. Capitalism doesn't seek to protect "those who cannot help themselves." This simply isn't a concern of Capitalism.
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Also, look at the horrible injustices that happened while true capitalism had free-reign in this country
Compared to what?
People overthink this. All economic systems are simply plans for distribution of assets. Socialism is a form of central planning, whereas Capitalism is a form of private ownership and distribution.
I would argue that both can accomplish exactly what they purport to do. The problem arises when people misunderstand what the ultimate goal of the policy is.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:19 am to Antonio Moss
Yesterday I posted about how Liberal Orthodoxy requires that those who start their arguments with Marxist assumptions always have to cite The Industrial Revolution. Zach told me that Fundamentalist liberals don't even know what The Industrial Revolution was. And yet, here it is again, as if time stands still, rolled out like it is a banquet, when it is at best a three-week-old ham sandwich. As if this country, which can't even employ it's adults, is in a mad rush to chain children to work benches in the name of Evil Capitalism.
Just stop.
Capitalism embodies the most remarkably efficient economic behavior ever known to man. The fact that it is imperfect, gives the perpetual children amongst us--those we call liberals, but who in fact are just hopeless Reactionaries against Human Nature,-- endless angst. And Leftists, feeling the psychological need to topple things, have tinkered around the edges of it unsuccessfully for 200 years.
Just stop.
Just stop.
Capitalism embodies the most remarkably efficient economic behavior ever known to man. The fact that it is imperfect, gives the perpetual children amongst us--those we call liberals, but who in fact are just hopeless Reactionaries against Human Nature,-- endless angst. And Leftists, feeling the psychological need to topple things, have tinkered around the edges of it unsuccessfully for 200 years.
Just stop.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:27 am to sabes que
Those pics look like those of my dad working on a farm at age 6. Not heartbreaking at all. Builds character.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:28 am to sabes que
What constitutes child labor? My dad used to be a paper boy when he was a kid where he would ride his bike around the neighborhood throwing newspapers. Is that wrong?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:28 am to WildTchoupitoulas
I chose to work at 10 years old because I wanted my own money and to buy nice things. My parents didn't force me... Luckily I was fortunate enough to be able to work on a farm because child labor laws would have prevented my employment anywhere else.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:32 am to deltaland
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I chose to work at 10 years old because I wanted my own money and to buy nice things.
Awww, isn't that nice.
Those immigrant children you referred to earlier just wanted to have something to eat and a dry place to sleep at night. They didn't have a 'choice'.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:34 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:So if child labor was banned, then would they starve instead?
Those immigrant children you referred to earlier just wanted to have something to eat and a dry place to sleep at night. They didn't have a 'choice'.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:37 am to deltaland
Those were pictures I found after a 10 second google search. I can post more info if you all would like. It is well documented that some children at the ages of 7 and 8 worked 12-14 hour days in factories in New York and other big cities at the turn of the 20th century.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:39 am to sabes que
if they had only aborted them, there would be no evil child labor
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:43 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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They didn't have a 'choice'.
Well then wasn't it nice of those business owners to give them a job so they could eat and have a home? Child labor laws would have denied them that opportunity..why did the Government hate children and want them to starve?
A lot of people don't look at the positive side of things..many of those children became motivated to not be poor their entire life and later became the ones who built this country up. I know many old men who are now millionaires who grew up in the Great depression who had dropped out of school to work long hours for pennies just to help feed their families.
Today, our youth in poverty just have kids and collect a Government check. No motivation whatsoever because they are given a house and food to eat by the taxpayers.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:43 am to sabes que
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I can post more info if you all would like. It is well documented that some children at the ages of 7 and 8 worked 12-14 hour days in factories in New York and other big cities at the turn of the 20th century.
So, what's your point? Are you saying that if child labor laws were revoked today, then we would see 7 and 8 year olds in NY working 12-14 hour days in factories?
If your answer is 'yes' then you look retarded. If your answer is 'no' then you have no point.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:46 am to Zach
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Are you saying that if child labor laws were revoked today, then we would see 7 and 8 year olds in NY working 12-14 hour days in factories?
Of course he isn't saying that.
There are no factories left in NY
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:38 pm to Zach
You all are missing the big picture. Under a more regulated system, it wouldn't just be child labor laws that would be in place. But rather, things like minimum wage and other things would be in effect. So the kids wouldn't be starving in the first place.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:55 pm to Mahootney
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One makes the government really rich and everyone poor.
The other makes business people really rich, some middle class, and some poor.
Which one would you prefer?
This is a misconception created by statist socialists, not true Marxists.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:57 pm to sabes que
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for the historically ignorant.
Um. I didn't see any 5 year olds in those pics(although I acknowledge that some did work).
AND, you mentioned a shift length too.
I know children worked long shifts. But, you said 4&5 year olds so, you were highly specific.
So, you're gonna have to try again.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 1:04 pm to sabes que
sure both are next to impossible to get but true Captialism really is the best for society.
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