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Posted on 10/8/23 at 9:45 am to shutterspeed
They were not. The ancestors of the Jews came from what is now southern Iraq. They gradually displaced the Canaanites who were the original inhabitants of Palestine
Posted on 10/8/23 at 9:47 am to RD Dawg
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They don't?
No, they don’t.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 9:47 am to Snipe
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Palestine is a mythical place
This is dumb.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 9:50 am to Damone
after reading this thread, i still have no idea about op's question
Posted on 10/8/23 at 9:51 am to shinerfan
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What do you think would happen to Israel if the US "left you alone"?
Don't care. Those leeches aren't worth a cent.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:20 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:Except that he didn't say that.
I was responding to the poster saying that Israelis have existed longer than Christianity.
He said "we," which any any person familiar with that poster would understand to mean "Jews," not "Israelis."
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:24 am to Lima Whiskey
quote:The proto-Jews separated themselves from the other Canaanites (including the proto-Palestinians) approximately 1000 years BCE. Sure, invading armies and a few settlers added some DNA through the centuries, but modern Israelis and modern Palestinians share FAR more DNA with one another than with all the other peoples of the region combined.quote:You’re not related, like other populations in the region, you’re closely related. You all presumably lived in the region for thousands of years. The current identities and cultures came later.
Well, no shite, Israelis and Turks also share a lot of DNA. There's crossover with Egyptians, Jordanias, Syrians, Moroccans, Sudanese, and on and on. The area was the bridge between East and West for thousands of years. This is not news. Can you tell an Israeli from a Sicilian from a Moroccan?
Hell, genetic studies show that they share more than half the same DNA as the Canaanites from 3500 BCE.
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 10:38 am
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:26 am to Antoninus
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Except that he didn't say that.
He said "we," which any any person familiar with that poster would understand to mean "Jews," not "Israelis."
Except he did. The entire conversation had several express references to “Israelis”.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:28 am to RD Dawg
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Philistine and Philistinians have as much to do with the modern day "Palestinians" as they have to do with modern day Philidelphians.
good one. The place-name "Palestine" ultimately derives from Philistia, but that is about the ONLY connection between the ancient Aegean Philistines and modern Palestinians.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:37 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:Modern Israelis are descended in large part from the ancient Judeans and (to a lesser extent) from the ancient Israelites. (The Assyrians mostly killed, scattered or assimilated the ancient Israelites, while the ancient Judeans fared much better under the Babylonians).quote:And modern day Israelis have nothing to do with ancient Israel or Judea.
Philistine and Philistinians have as much to do with the modern day "Palestinians" as they have to do with modern day Philidelphians.
Sure, many of the ancestors of modern Israelis were scattered during the Diaspora (and to a limited extent uploaded some DNA from the locals), but those who returned in the 19th and 20th centuries are indisputably the descendants of the Judeans and Israelites (and thus their Canaanite precursors).
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:40 am to 3nOut
quote:There probably aren't more than a few dozen of either who have been there a century.
The vast majority of Jews currently in Israel have been there less than a centuryquote:
Pretty sure most of the Palestinians there have been there less than a century as well.
Ancestors? The ancestors of both have lived in the region for at least 5500 years.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:45 am to RD Dawg
quote:The ancestors of both modern Palestinians and modern Israelis have lived in the Levant for at least 5500 years.quote:They don't?
And modern day Israelis have nothing to do with ancient Israel or Judea.
Pretty sure they share the same religion and land. Which is far more than you can say about the modern day "Palestinians"
Religion? The Yahwehism of the Bronze Age Israelites and Judeans is only a BIT closer to modern Judaism than Islam is to Canaanite pantheon.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:49 am to tarzana
quote:MAYBE Abraham is a real historic figure, and MAYBE he moved from modern Iraq and settled amongst the Canaanites, but genetics don't lie. The vast bulk of his "descendants" carry FAR more Canaanite DNA than Fertile Crescent DNA.
The ancestors of the Jews came from what is now southern Iraq. They gradually displaced the Canaanites who were the original inhabitants of Palestine
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:51 am to Snipe
quote:As a place-name, "Palestine" goes back many thousands of years.
Palestine is a mythical place created to cause division and cultural unrest.
As a (claimed) governmental entity, maybe 150 years.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:53 am to shutterspeed
They were all pretty much the same at one point.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 11:06 am to Antoninus
Most modern-day Jews have at least as much European DNA as they do Middle Eastern, thanks to the diaspora in the early centuries AD
Posted on 10/8/23 at 11:31 am to shutterspeed
True or False: Europeans were the first inhabitants of the United States.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 11:44 am to tarzana
quote:Not exactly. One study in 2013 said that a small majority of MATERNAL lineages of Ashkenazi Jews are European, but even that study is refuted by other studies both before and after. The PATERNAL lineages of the Ashkenazi are almost exclusively from the Levant.
Most modern-day Jews have at least as much European DNA as they do Middle Eastern, thanks to the diaspora in the early centuries AD
And there is almost zero European DNA in non-Ashkenazi Jews.
Slightly more than half of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, whose ancestors never left the Levant. They have essentially zero European admixture.
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/8/23 at 11:52 am to shutterspeed
Who was the first to inhabit any land? Let’s give all land to who was there first.
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