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Posted on 3/13/17 at 5:33 pm to bmy
I would go with false, as well.
OK. Now, if you can tell me, 1.) what the delta will be, 2.) what the impact of the delta is, AND 3.) what would be a reasonable solution, I will go along with it.
I have yet to find anyone who can provide a good answer to any of those questions...
OK. Now, if you can tell me, 1.) what the delta will be, 2.) what the impact of the delta is, AND 3.) what would be a reasonable solution, I will go along with it.
I have yet to find anyone who can provide a good answer to any of those questions...
Posted on 3/13/17 at 5:34 pm to bmy
quote:Not enough information. You've not listed a single thermodynamic property anywhere in your post. Yet.. you expect a conclusion about temperature. You... are anti-science.
If humans were to hypothetically take a planet (with an atmosphere similar to our own) and introduce massive amounts of green house gasses, water vapor,
CO2, etc.. over hundreds of years.. it would have the exact same weather patterns/climate as it would without human intervention.
True or false?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 5:42 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Not enough information. You've not listed a single thermodynamic property anywhere in your post. Yet.. you expect a conclusion about temperature. You... are anti-science.
It's implied that they would all have the same exact parameters EXCEPT for the ones noted as possible drivers for climate change.. greenhouse gasses, CO2, water vapor, etc. Those are the variables that differ in this hypothetical.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 5:43 pm to Jax-Tiger
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I would go with false, as well.
OK. Now, if you can tell me, 1.) what the delta will be, 2.) what the impact of the delta is, AND 3.) what would be a reasonable solution, I will go along with it.
I have yet to find anyone who can provide a good answer to any of those questions.
I'm not proposing any changes. Just asking a hypothetical question (or thought experiment if you prefer) to demonstrate that humans could intentionally alter a planets climate if we so desired.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 5:54 pm to bmy
Well bmy my answer to why there is no impact on Earth's climate is best read in the last 5 paragraphs that you replied to.
But quick synopsis of the impact on Earth: man's influence on global climate is minuscule and of no significance. This is do to the fact that you are concerned with natural chemicals that naturally occur in vast amounts. Also Earth is extremely geologically active, and all of these chemicals are part of the natural geology. Finally life is teaming on and in the Earth. Most of these chemicals are considered "organic" or are involved intimately and massively in Earth life. The "circle of life" will incorporate them into additional life! Increasing the temperature, water, and essential plant food (CO2), results in a higher global life form carrying capacity!
Believe me, it's better to live now than in the Little Ice Age that you seem to believe normal or ideal! That's the best answer to your 3 hypotheticals. Warming is good and natural. Cooling is bad and natural. It has been both cooler and warmer in the past. Remember those Medieval English wines? The latest evidence indicates that the rate of warming is slowing down, but a few decades of observation on a 4.5 billion year old planet amount to nothing. If man is adding significantly to warming, good. But I don't think so. Would love to try English wine in my lifetime!
But quick synopsis of the impact on Earth: man's influence on global climate is minuscule and of no significance. This is do to the fact that you are concerned with natural chemicals that naturally occur in vast amounts. Also Earth is extremely geologically active, and all of these chemicals are part of the natural geology. Finally life is teaming on and in the Earth. Most of these chemicals are considered "organic" or are involved intimately and massively in Earth life. The "circle of life" will incorporate them into additional life! Increasing the temperature, water, and essential plant food (CO2), results in a higher global life form carrying capacity!
Believe me, it's better to live now than in the Little Ice Age that you seem to believe normal or ideal! That's the best answer to your 3 hypotheticals. Warming is good and natural. Cooling is bad and natural. It has been both cooler and warmer in the past. Remember those Medieval English wines? The latest evidence indicates that the rate of warming is slowing down, but a few decades of observation on a 4.5 billion year old planet amount to nothing. If man is adding significantly to warming, good. But I don't think so. Would love to try English wine in my lifetime!
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:04 pm to Gaspergou202
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But quick synopsis of the impact on Earth: man's influence on global climate is minuscule and of no significance. This is do to the fact that you are concerned with natural chemicals that naturally occur in vast amounts. Also Earth is extremely geologically active, and all of these chemicals are part of the natural geology. Finally life is teaming on and in the Earth. Most of these chemicals are considered "organic" or are involved intimately and massively in Earth life. The "circle of life" will incorporate them into additional life! Increasing the temperature, water, and essential plant food (CO2), results in a higher global life form carrying capacity!
to be clear you're saying that there would be no difference in the climate of the 3 planets? i'm not an alarmist or anything.. i think we should strive to control the climate to do the greatest amount of good possible.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:09 pm to bmy
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i'm not an alarmist or anything.. i think we should strive to control the climate to do the greatest amount of good possible.
To believe that is necessary is indeed the position of someone who is alarmed about something. What are you afraid of??
What an alarming position to hold.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:09 pm to Dale51
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Should have??? Without it, you can call the conclusions anything you like, but you can't call it science.
Unless the current datasets are accurate
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:11 pm to bmy
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Unless the current datasets are accurate
Which can, now, never be known, only believed. Belief is not science. Don't you agree?
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:18 pm to Dale51
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Which can, now, never be known, only believed. Belief is not science. Don't you agree?
I agree with that. I haven't looked at your claim in much detail myself and I'm sure as hell not going to take your word for it
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:21 pm to bmy
quote:It's full of shite. CRU deleted a copy of the data. The actual data (GHCN) is still available and always has been.
I agree with that. I haven't looked at your claim in much detail myself
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:38 pm to bmy
quote:
I agree with that. I haven't looked at your claim in much detail myself and I'm sure as hell not going to take your word for it
I agree! Never take anyones word for much of anything..even if they work for a university..a research foundation, etc. Let the raw facts speak for themselves. If someone says..."Oh..you can't see that..just trust us." You may be dealing with a con artist.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:39 pm to Iosh
quote:
It's full of shite. CRU deleted a copy of the data.
bullshite.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:44 pm to bmy
True
Posted on 3/13/17 at 7:44 pm to Dale51
Raw ICOADS data (ocean)
Raw GHCN data (land)
Knock yourself out
Raw GHCN data (land)
Knock yourself out
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:33 pm to Iosh
quote:You should know better than posting a straight line
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:37 pm to bmy
quote:
It's implied that they would all have the same exact parameters EXCEPT for the ones noted as possible drivers for climate change.. greenhouse gasses, CO2, water vapor, etc.
nope. Heat transfer calcs can't be done by implication. They are done by setting boundaries,.heat flows, and matching them to observation. You've done none of the above. quote:Again, nope. Those aren't even independent variables, mor are they a complete set of state affixing variables.
Those are the variables that differ in this hypothetical.
Your questions is the equivalent of asking: "I'm in a car somewhere on planet earth, when will I arrive in New York City?
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:54 pm to Taxing Authority
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nope. Heat transfer calcs can't be done by implication. They are done by setting boundaries,.heat flows, and matching them to observation. You've done none of the above
So.. on earth.. quadrupling the water vapor in the atmosphere tomorrow would do nothing because I didn't model my prediction
Retarded argument
We can talk about radiation and the laws of thermodynamics if you really want. I mean after all.. it's what drives weather trends.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:08 pm to bmy
quote:You aren't so smart. You can't quadruple the water vapor without it condensing out.
So.. on earth.. quadrupling the water vapor in the atmosphere tomorrow would do nothing because I didn't model my prediction
not to mention water vapor and temperature are NOT independent variables. Do you even know what a psychrometric chart is? quote:
Retarded argument
quote:Sure. Go right ahead. I'll let you start. Draw a unit control volume of an arbitrary portion of the atmosphere.
We can talk about radiation and the laws of thermodynamics if you really want
quote:No isht captain obvious!
I mean after all.. it's what drives weather trends
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