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re: Transgender guidance
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:09 am to SabiDojo
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:09 am to SabiDojo
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What's especially difficult about gender identity crises/disorder is that we are dealing with the body-mind connection. This is something science has never fully understood and many think we never will.
IMHO there are a lot of things that materialist science will be totally unable to interpret or explain in an objective, measurable manner. We need the transcendant and ineffable in our lives if we don't want to succumb to deterministic nihilism.
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:09 am to Ace Midnight
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Comparing being gay to how broadly "transgender" is defined now is like comparing apples to plutonium.
Gender entirely. Genderfluid, nonbinary, etc. shite, people are actually saying they are "asexual" now.
I mean, this stuff has evolved so quickly and its veracity is SOLELY determined by the person experiencing it. You can't say anything about it. It's relativism on steroids. 
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:10 am to Lsupimp
Single occupant restrooms is the easy sensible answer.
Of course they won't be satisfied with that because what they really want is the right to bully and intimidate others into letting them do what they want.
Of course they won't be satisfied with that because what they really want is the right to bully and intimidate others into letting them do what they want.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:10 am to Scruffy
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I find the complete disregard of the individual's mental health in an attempt to normalize what is obviously a psychiatric condition to be idiotic.
I agree, from a healthcare perspective. If a person feels that they were born in the wrong body, they obviously have something going wrong psychologically. There should at least be an attempt to make them comfortable with their biological sex through therapy and counseling before we start giving hormones and chopping off body parts. But the fact is that gender dysphoria is a real phenomenon and those people are especially vulnerable to bullying because they already feel ashamed of who they are. I know it's the cool right wing thing to do right now to make fun of them and say that it's not a real thing, and that's fine. But you're not helping them
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:11 am to IdahoTiger
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He was born with female genitalia but is in all other aspects a boy, thus has always used the boys bathroom with no issues. Now he's forced to use the women's bathroom, and every time he walks in there there will be girls yelling at him to get out because he looks like and is a boy
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:12 am to Grim
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But the fact is that gender dysphoria is a real phenomenon
I do not discount this, but it was not always the case (in my understanding). Why has it become a phenomenon? This is what really bothers me.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:12 am to HempHead
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IMHO there are a lot of things that materialist science will be totally unable to interpret or explain in an objective, measurable manner. We need the transcendant and ineffable in our lives if we don't want to succumb to deterministic nihilism.
It's all about challenging ideals. They must be scrutinized. They must be put to the test. And not just by science, but by logic, reason.
I agree with you. It's like I'm looking in a mirror.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:12 am to TrueTiger
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Of course they won't be satisfied with that because what they really want is the right to bully and intimidate others into letting them do what they want.
It's the same as with gay marriage. Getting the government out of the marriage license business was never an option, because it isn't actually about "equality" at all. It's about destroying what people value.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:14 am to SabiDojo
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On the other side of that, accepting and endorsing it without truly understanding why it occurs and calling anyone who thinks it a mental disorder a bigot is not helpful either. It may very well be a mental illness. Or, sometimes shite just goes wrong in nature. We see it all the time, and many times we can't do anything to correct it. What's especially difficult about gender identity crises/disorder is that we are dealing with the body-mind connection. This is something science has never fully understood and many think we never will.
Yeah I understand what you're saying, and appreciate a response that actually took a little thought to compose. I guess I just look at it in this way: We may never truly understand the science behind everything. I also don't think it's a necessity to understand why something is the way it is in order to accept it and try a little harder to understand it from that person's point of view.
I don't understand exactly how the Iphone works, but I still use one. Of course we don't know exactly why a trans gendered person was born the way they were. In the end, I just don't feel the need to understand exactly why they are the way they are...mainly because we'll probably never know other than scientific hypothesis.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:15 am to Grim
quote:I don't disagree with this, but we are playing with fire by trying to normalize what is obviously a psychiatric issue.
But the fact is that gender dysphoria is a real phenomenon and those people are especially vulnerable to bullying because they already feel ashamed of who they are
That is my problem here. Accepting that these individuals exist and treating them appropriately is fine, but normalizing this is not.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 11:19 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:16 am to SabiDojo
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It's all about challenging ideals. They must be scrutinized. They must be put to the test.
I'm not sure if this was your intended point - but it echoes pimp's post. It appears to me, for whatever reason, that there are people whose sole ideological gestalt relies in upending ideals and deconstructing anything that is commonly held, no matter what it is. A society that does this will inherently be in a state of perpetual chaos and confusion.
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I agree with you. It's like I'm looking in a mirror.
It's a damn handsome visage, is it not?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:16 am to igoringa
get rid of the liberal career teachers and let generals and businessmen teach our children Drain the swamp!
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:16 am to IdahoTiger
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If that wasn't enough, going into the opposite gender's bathroom is a daily reminder of how different he is and how hard life will be for him under these circumstances. Now everyone is talking about him behind his back, and he's the number one topic of conversation. He's sticking out like a sore thumb in a world where he just wants to be like everyone else.
If he is a boy and is using the girl's bathroom he will still feel different, but they're going to tease him even more relentlessly. It changes nothing. Don't understand why you can't see that.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:16 am to HempHead
It has been documented in medical journals for decades. You're just hearing about it now because the left is obsessed with celebrating everyone who uses their genitals in a non-traditional way. They're using transgender people just like they used gays as a way to demonize the right, and it's working. You're falling into their trap by ridiculing trans people.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:16 am to HempHead
quote:IMO, it is an invention of restless minds that is being elevated for political purposes.
Why has it become a phenomenon?
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:17 am to IdahoTiger
It's tough. You're dealing with something so personal. How you identify yourself in terms of gender is very personal. I don't think courts/government should make those determinations.
I mean, I could dress like a man, sleep with women, hunt, fish, do all traditionally manly things, and still be a woman. If I apply for special protection under the law as a woman and I am denied, I'll sue and the court will weigh the facts and tell me what gender I am? Call me a liar "based on the evidence"? I don't want that.
I mean, I could dress like a man, sleep with women, hunt, fish, do all traditionally manly things, and still be a woman. If I apply for special protection under the law as a woman and I am denied, I'll sue and the court will weigh the facts and tell me what gender I am? Call me a liar "based on the evidence"? I don't want that.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:18 am to Grim
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They're using transgender people just like they used gays as a way to demonize the right, and it's working.
Nah, this bathroom thing is absolutely not working the way they intend it.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:19 am to HempHead
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It appears to me, for whatever reason, that there are people whose sole ideological gestalt relies in upending ideals and deconstructing anything that is commonly held, no matter what it is. A society that does this will inherently be in a state of perpetual chaos and confusion.
OMG YES! I've been saying this for years!
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:19 am to Grim
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You're falling into their trap by ridiculing trans people
I ridicule only for the purpose of comedy, whenever I do so. In reality, I have the utmost pity - which, by some, may be regarded as worse. I can't imagine actually feeling gender dysphoria - but growing up in an era in which ones feels this and is encouraged to take irreversible action in light of it? Jesus.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:22 am to Scruffy
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I don't disagree with this, but we are playing with fire by trying to normalize what is obvuously a psychiatric issue.
That is my problem here. Accepting that these individuals exist and treating them appropriately is fine, but normalizing this is not.
I'm not sure that I disagree with this, but it depends on what you mean by "normalizing". If you mean celebrating it and pretending that there's nothing wrong with those people, then yes you're right. But if you mean bringing the issue to the public eye and educating people about the condition so that they won't react in such a hurtful way when they encounter a trans person, I disagree. Education is always a good thing. Unfortunately the conversation is being dominated by the progs who don't give a shite about these people, but are using them for political gains
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