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re: Transgender guidance
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:07 pm to IdahoTiger
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:07 pm to IdahoTiger
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Say there's a trans boy who looks just like a guy, feels like a guy and just wants to be treated as such. He was born with female genitalia but is in all other aspects a boy, thus has always used the boys bathroom with no issues. Now he's forced to use the women's bathroom, and every time he walks in there there will be girls yelling at him to get out because he looks like and is a boy. If that wasn't enough, going into the opposite gender's bathroom is a daily reminder of how different he is and how hard life will be for him under these circumstances. Now everyone is talking about him behind his back, and he's the number one topic of conversation. He's sticking out like a sore thumb in a world where he just wants to be like everyone else. Under these new orders, this is the reality for trans kids at school.
Now I know if you don't believe that trans people exist, then this won't make sense to you, and I'm sorry you can't comprehend it. I was born gay, so I guess maybe I can relate to being born a little bit different. Life was hard for a while but it made me stronger. I can't imagine how hard it would be to be born trans, even in an accepting world. Now under an administration that denies they even exist, much less tries to understand their daily struggles, their life just got so much harder.
I think it's human nature to pretend that people so different than us don't exist. It's easier to brush it aside as a "mental disorder." Trust me I get it, but just realize brushing people aside has real life consequences and if a trans student was already suicidal, this administration didn't help. I still think the majority of people are good, it just sometimes takes meeting and talking to one of the "different" people to truly understand them. Some of you need to try harder.
This has nothing to do with my question in anyway. Why should my 4th grade daughter be able to declare herself male and the school be prohibited from communicating that to me?
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:10 pm to Grim
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There should at least be an attempt to make them comfortable with their biological sex through therapy and counseling before we start giving hormones and chopping off body parts. But the fact is that gender dysphoria is a real phenomenon and those people are especially vulnerable to bullying because they already feel ashamed of who they are. I know it's the cool right wing thing to do right now to make fun of them and say that it's not a real thing, and that's fine. But you're not helping them
Saying boys should not have the right to shower with my daugthers because they feel like it and saying they should not play on girl sports is not making fun of them.
The government telling me as a parent that if my elementary school daughter demands treatment as a boy in school that it is none of my business is not OK. This guidance states it is OK and there are penalties for not playing ball.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:11 pm to igoringa
I understand people's frustration with this issue because it's being taking too far- especially the bit about the school not being able to communicate with parents.
That being said, I personally know two intersex children, who have ambiguous genitalia and male chromosomes. I really feel for them and their parents because most people just don't understand it at all. Additionally, it's not always possible to raise the child to conform to one gender.
Intersex conditions occur at a rate of about 2% of births, about as common as having red hair. It is not as uncommon as one thinks.
I'm not saying that most people who say they are transgender are medically intersexed, and also think a lot of true intersex people are not the loud ones in the public argument. They are the ones you'd never know the difference and just go take a leak without making a fuss.
That being said, I personally know two intersex children, who have ambiguous genitalia and male chromosomes. I really feel for them and their parents because most people just don't understand it at all. Additionally, it's not always possible to raise the child to conform to one gender.
Intersex conditions occur at a rate of about 2% of births, about as common as having red hair. It is not as uncommon as one thinks.
I'm not saying that most people who say they are transgender are medically intersexed, and also think a lot of true intersex people are not the loud ones in the public argument. They are the ones you'd never know the difference and just go take a leak without making a fuss.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:14 pm to IdahoTiger
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With that being said, the majority of gay, trans, and leftists are not ok with politicizing gay and trans rights.
bullshite as demonstrated by how you as a group vote.
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It's kind of weird that y'all make up these crazy agenda's and "end games" that don't exist. Don't let the words of a few represent the majority.
I am not making up anything. If I don't want men showering with my daughter, do I have to wait for it to happen before questioning a policy that allows it?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:16 pm to Dale51
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What is the goal?
To give these kids a place to pee and/or drop a deuce.
You can claim they already have a place to go, and that's fine. I think that is what is central to the whole debate.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:19 pm to OKellsBells
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I understand people's frustration with this issue because it's being taking too far- especially the bit about the school not being able to communicate with parents.
But I am labelled a bigot for being against this guidance. Not a matter of frustration, statement of facts from the tolerant left.
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That being said, I personally know two intersex children, who have ambiguous genitalia and male chromosomes. I really feel for them and their parents because most people just don't understand it at all. Additionally, it's not always possible to raise the child to conform to one gender.
There will always be folks that have these issues and be different in every facet of life. We don't rewrite national policy for them. Crude example, ADA act states disabled people need reasonable access to a store. It did not ban that store having stairs because access alone is not enough they need the exact same method of access.
The case before the supreme court, the school set up a gender neutral restroom but that was not good enough for the plaintiff. She wants to be a boy so she believes she deserves the right to the boys restroom. Point being, this has gone extreme and beyond accommodation and access.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:20 pm to igoringa
Thanks for the OP.
FAKE NEWS that this parental consent aspect wasn't front and center.
FAKE NEWS that this parental consent aspect wasn't front and center.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:20 pm to Scruffy
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I find the complete disregard of the individual's mental health in an attempt to normalize what is obviously a psychiatric condition to be idiotic.
Normalizing mental illness isn't empathy. Pretending people don't have a problem isn't caring for them.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:21 pm to 9th life
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To give these kids a place to pee and/or drop a deuce.
You can claim they already have a place to go, and that's fine. I think that is what is central to the whole debate.
False. The case before the supreme court, the girl has access to the girls bathroom. Not good enough. School built gender neutral bathrooms. Not good enough. She wants access to one place - she has the plurality of places to take a leak.
And the media is pigeon holing the guidance to bathrooms. It is about parental rights; it is about showers; it is about sports; it is a flat out attack on any sexual segregation. That is the platform in play here - not where to potty.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:21 pm to OKellsBells
Intersexed and transgender are two massively different things. One has a physical component, the other does not.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:25 pm to IdahoTiger
quote:you were born nothing, asexual. Why do people try to sexualize prepubescent children? Sexuality expresses as sex hormones flood the body and brain at puberty, and through some combination of biology, environmental factors, and in some case trauma, a person's sexuality develops somewhere along a spectrum, many people are fluid along that spectrum. Depending on their circumstances. You may not have woken up one day and say, gee I think I'll be gay, but you were not born gay or straight. There is some pretty shaky evidence that some gene expression may correlate with someone ending up gay. I say shaky because as we are finding out more and more genetic scientist still know jack squat about how genes function relatively speaking. Up until a few years ago the thought like 90% of the genome was garbage we acquired over the eons that doesn't do anything, which is completely incorrect.
I was born gay, so I guess maybe I can relate to being born a little bit different.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:28 pm to IdahoTiger
quote:Where you go to the bathroom is a life or death situation?
and if a trans student was already suicidal, this administration didn't help
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:32 pm to 9th life
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To give these kids a place to pee and/or drop a deuce. You can claim they already have a place to go, and that's fine.
That makes no sense.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:39 pm to igoringa
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False. The case before the supreme court, the girl has access to the girls bathroom. Not good enough. School built gender neutral bathrooms. Not good enough. She wants access to one place - she has the plurality of places to take a leak.
You are taking my comment out of context.
I have already said I disagree with the law and how it was implemented. To elaborate on that, I think it is much ado about nothing, and that the amount of people that this helps is insignificant relative to the number of people it impacts. It is a foolish law.
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And the media is pigeon holing the guidance to bathrooms. It is about parental rights; it is about showers; it is about sports; it is a flat out attack on any sexual segregation. That is the platform in play here - not where to potty.
I am not trying to invalidate your point, I just don't see it that way.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:41 pm to Dale51
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That makes no sense.
Ok.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:48 pm to 9th life
We are on post 75 and not one person has suggested the guidance stipulating that parents do not have the right to know if their fourth grade daughter has declared herself a boy at school is on point and valid.
Yet discriminatory bigots .....
Yet discriminatory bigots .....
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:51 pm to igoringa
Yeah I can't defend that in any way.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:56 pm to 9th life
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Ok.
What is it I'm not understanding about your reply?
Is your position that the "goal" of the "transgender" bill was to give manipulated children and mentally ill adults a "place to pee or drop a "deuce"?
If so, that makes no sense.
But maybe I'm not understanding your position completely. Can you add a further explanation as to how that could be the "goal" of a bill?
Thanks.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:04 pm to Dale51
I'm stating just that the goal was defining a place for Transgender kids to use the restroom.
I have said I don't agree with it. I also said it was an overreach by Obama. It was the creation of an issue impacting everyone, for the resolution of a very small portion of the population.
Hope that clarifies it.
I have said I don't agree with it. I also said it was an overreach by Obama. It was the creation of an issue impacting everyone, for the resolution of a very small portion of the population.
Hope that clarifies it.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:06 pm to igoringa
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We are on post 75 and not one person has suggested the guidance stipulating that parents do not have the right to know if their fourth grade daughter has declared herself a boy at school is on point and valid.
Not that I agree with it, but does the school notify you if your daughter goes to the restroom in the girl's room?
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