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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:31 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:31 pm to DavidTheGnome
This is way, way different. It's pretty awesome actually. Technology is bad arse 
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:32 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:35 pm to The Baker
The real problem is that once we're to that point, it's too late. That answer will be handled for us by the AI. And that ain't necessarily going to be a good thing for the species.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:39 pm to The Baker
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Did you watch the video?
I've seen it. Only difference between their self checkout and Amazons is that I have to scan my stuff. In neither case is a cashier present (there's the person that always fixes it though, which I'm sure amazon will have as well).
Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:39 pm to VOLhalla
quote:This possibility--along with the problems with the bloated and complex entitlement structure--have created an interesting argument for a "Universal Basic Income."
In a few decades most Americans may not have jobs.
I don't feel comfortable with it on principle, but there are some compelling arguments for it. Apparently a venture capitalist firm is creating a scientific study to research it. I'm looking forward to see what the benefits and costs are in reality.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:49 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:50 pm to buckeye_vol
It's not going to be a few decades. It's already happening. We've got maybe fifteen to twenty years at best.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:51 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:52 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:56 pm to Captain Rumbeard
quote:I don't think (who knows though) it will happen that fast for higher-skilled and more intellectually based jobs. Although admittedly I don't know how much of the market those represent.
It's not going to be a few decades. It's already happening. We've got maybe fifteen to twenty years at best.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:26 pm to buckeye_vol
Just a question, in the video nobody had more than one or two items, 90% of grocery store shoppers use a buggy and place lots of items that need to be bagged or am I just gonna roll it out and dump it in my trunk?
I build grocery stores for two of the most advanced grocers in the country and I promise you, they won't be phasing out humans any time soon...
I build grocery stores for two of the most advanced grocers in the country and I promise you, they won't be phasing out humans any time soon...
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:29 pm to The Baker
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I'm hopeful that space exploration will assuage some of the issues. Once that becomes profitable we'll have more jobs than we'll know what to do with and on multiple planets.
You may be right. There may be other ways people are still valuable. You have to wonder about creativity becoming much more valuable in an information economy. Art could be the next MBA. MBA's are definitely screwed for the most part. Most management will be.
We are living in the beginning stages of this transformation. If we get off this planet, it may be to escape what we've created to make our lives better before it decides we're worthless.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:24 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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At some point, we are no longer necessary. So what do you do with all the people?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:46 pm to The Baker
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I'm sorry you don't understand the difference.
I see the difference quite clearly and I do think it's neat, but your argument is that it's going to kill cashiers jobs. I don't get checked out by a cashier as it is. They've been being killed already for years.
I'm sorry you don't understand that.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:21 am to Captain Rumbeard
This is legitimately concerning to me. I know that this was the same concern raised when mechanized agriculture largely replaced hand-picking or when the sewing machine replaced the seamstress, but this coming wave of automation feels entirely different. In the past, technology rarely fully replaced the human, it just made humans more efficient (1 could do the work of 100). However, what happens when human imput is completely obsolete? Our entire society is based on a model that soon forseably appears to be at an end. In our society we go to school to educate ourselves to get jobs which in exchange for our labors pay us wages which we use to purchase the goods and services needed to support our selves and our families. However, what happens when there are no more "jobs"? What happens once human imput is completely obsolete? Robots are more flexible, they can be smaller and stronger, they don't need breaks, they don't need to be paid health benefits, ect. What will we do once robots replace construction workers, engineers, lawyers, firefighters, soldiers, police officers, waiters, cooks, cashiers, bartenders, teachers, baristas, programmers, ect? How will we afford goods and services without jobs? How can we "strive"? Will there still be economic mobility? How will it all work?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:27 am to kingbob
I've thought about this as well and have no answer. Some people tout the idea of everyone earning basic income, having a workless society that can pursue their own ideas and dreams etc. novel, but not realistic. I don't know the answer and their may not be one.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:30 am to kingbob
Society will have to stop measuring based on work. It could be a form of Utopia if we do create so much surplus.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 3:29 am to The Baker
This is inevitable, but like most things, the idiots protesting in the streets because they want $15/hr to drop fries are the minority.
The majority of those workers (unfortunately the less-vocal) understand those jobs are stepping stones and would not demand a raise if it meant losing their job altogether.
Also, what was the chant from the protesters in Detroit? "We fed up" or something
Someone please link the video.
The majority of those workers (unfortunately the less-vocal) understand those jobs are stepping stones and would not demand a raise if it meant losing their job altogether.
Also, what was the chant from the protesters in Detroit? "We fed up" or something
Someone please link the video. 
Posted on 12/8/16 at 3:33 am to The Baker
Concept seems cool ,but will they track everything you buy and who will have access to that information?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:00 am to Captain Rumbeard
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Between robotics and AI probably half the jobs in our economy are going to go the same way as the cashiers.
Wait? wut?
Those shelves just magically stocked themselves? Those deli items came from a Star Trek food generator? The light bulbs changed themselves? And that spotless environment never has to be cleaned? No security?
You may not see humans on the floor, but behind some wall of mirrors there are as many employees as there was before. Monitoring the technology.
I mean you might have absorbed 4 cashiers (because that's the most Ive ever seen at my WalMart). But produce, butchers, deli, stockers will always have to be on hand
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