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by that standard the actual process of going to vote is the biggest hurdle of all.

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That's not hurdle - they get a free ride, a 40oz can of beer, maybe even some walking around money.

Holiday time!!!!

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marginally attached voters on both side are less likely to go through hurdles.

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Fantastic!!! - the way it should be.

We don't need ignorant lazy asses 'voting' in the first place.

Selecting the leadership of the country should not be the same as electing a homecoming maid.

I think there should be some sort of poll test - you got to know something about what you are about to vote on.

If you cannot name the 3 branches of govt you hve no business voting in the first place.

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Let's assume for the sake of this question that I agree a photo ID requirement is justified. What, then, is the purpose of a separate voter registration system? Why not allow voting based on the ID alone like in ND? Or at the very least, couple the photo ID with provisions for same-day registration?

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It is purely to protect party primaries. Make everything open primaries and voter registration with voter ID laws becomes completely unnecessary and redundant.

You need a register of voters legible for each district. That has to be maintained as it is at the local level. People who move away get purged and cannot return to vote, people who pass away can't use their Brother's ID and vote twice, etc.

Unless there is actually voter registration fraud going on (which I'm sure happens sometimes but is easier to identify), all a poll worker has to do is check the name on the ID to match the name on the voter roll, then check to see if the persons face matches the face in the photo ID. This already occurs in many states. Voter fraud can still occur if the poll worker does not perform their job, but such a measure would help validate that the person voting for Joe Bleaux is actually Joe Bleaux.

I don't see how obtaining a valid form of ID or actually registering to vote could in any way be interpreted honestly as a civil rights issue or a measure to disenfranchise anyone. The argument against basic voter ID laws are ludicrous and dishonest.

Democrats will support voter ID laws only when they figure out how to circumvent them to steal elections.

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except it wouldn't be caught because of the manpower to go over all of that information to verify everyone only voted once

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What do you mean "manpower?" It's a database. Finding duplicate values in a database is not difficult. It's not even something you need an application for. It's a built-in command (in SQL it'd be something like GROUP BY var HAVING COUNT (var) > 1).

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Are the reasons behind it self-serving? Absolutely. Does it constitute dirty politics? Probably. None of that changes the fact that we are better off not hearing the voices of those who don't possess any form of ID, because that is indicative of traits that we should not be propagating in our society.

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The remaining question then is exactly how much of a "push" to vote we as a society owe. That's what we are talking about here with all this complaining that we don't make it convenient enough for our laziest to participate.

I think allowing non-profits to exist that do all the registration work for them is more than enough. Sacrificing credible fraud protection is going too far. If the opportunity to cheat effectively is there, people will do it. Republicans too.

Question my motives all you like- if what we truly care about is disenfranchisement, then credibly catching and preventing fraud or inaccurate vote accounting is at least as important as any other priority.

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Question my motives all you like- if what we truly care about is disenfranchisement, then credibly catching and preventing fraud or inaccurate vote accounting is at least as important as any other priority.

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I think there are much easier ways to catch fraud. For one, you could dye people's fingers like they do in other countries.

You could offer alternatives to ID, such as rattling off your home address. Or you DOB, two pieces of info the voter rolls have.

republicans dont care about voter fraud, they want to disenfranchise voters - its as simple as that.

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democrats dont care about voter fraud, BECAUSE they want to disenfranchise voters - its as simple as that.

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as evidenced by their constant denial that it even exists, and consistently opposing methods to catch/prevent it until after being called on the potential for fraud being just another form of disenfranchisement (like you did, here)

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You could offer alternatives to ID, such as rattling off your home address. Or you DOB, two pieces of info the voter rolls have.

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I agree with this - a legitimate voter should know how to spell his name, know his address, zip code etc.

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republicans dont care about voter fraud, they want to disenfranchise voters - its as simple as that.

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this is bullshitl
GOP does want to 'disenfranchise' ILLEGAL voters = and the fact that those illegal votes are overwhelmingly DEM is a symptom of the problem.

Now - if the illegals were overwhelmingly GOP, would the parties stances be reversed??

who knows - but I know my stance would be the same.

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its one of the ways TSA uses to screen for false ids at aiports.

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even you have to take a step back...seriously, the TSA. They're the poster child for incompetence