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TIL all white men got to vote just 14 years before black men
Posted on 3/27/18 at 9:49 am
Posted on 3/27/18 at 9:49 am
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1856: Abolition of property qualifications for white men
In the United States, the rise of Jacksonian democracy from the 1820s to 1850s led to a close approximation of universal manhood suffrage among whites being adopted in all states by 1856
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1870: Non-white men and freed slaves are guaranteed the right to vote by the Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Poor/non-land owning white men weren't all allowed to vote until 1856, and black men got to in 1870.
I thought it was a lot longer than that. Considering that the Revolutionary War ended in 1783, 1856 & 1870 seem like a pretty quick turnaround. Not sure why people feel like they were so greatly hindered.
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Posted on 3/27/18 at 9:52 am to Kujo
It blew my mind to hear it stated black black men got the vote like 45 years sooner than white women. I think I knew the approximate dates and all, but I'd never heard the facts pieced together like that. Ever. And I'm a political junkie.
This post was edited on 3/27/18 at 9:53 am
Posted on 3/27/18 at 9:54 am to Kujo
Yup its pretty much been even steven besides those 14 years.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 9:59 am to olddawg26
They need to reinstate a test and property owner mandate.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:03 am to GREENHEAD22
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property owner
It makes sense to have a property owner qualification. It makes a person a shareholder.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:05 am to TheHarahanian
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It makes sense to have a property owner qualification. It makes a person a shareholder.
Even if you could get it through (zero chance), you'd have PACS buying up parcels of land in Mississippi and selling 1/82nd an acre for $1 with the fees being paid by same PAC in order to gain eligibility for Dem voters.
wouldn't work today.
This post was edited on 3/27/18 at 10:06 am
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:05 am to TheHarahanian
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It makes sense to have a property owner qualification. It makes a person a shareholder.
It's a pretty stupid qualification to be honest
If someone makes 150K a year and pays plenty of taxes but prefers to rent for mobility reasons you think they shouldn't be allowed to vote?
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:06 am to SirWinston
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It blew my mind to hear it stated black black men got the vote like 45 years sooner than white women. I think I knew the approximate dates and all, but I'd never heard the facts pieced together like that. Ever. And I'm a political junkie.
That's all women, but change it to white to fit your narrative.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:06 am to Kujo
And confederate veterans (i.e. nearly every white male in the south due to conscription) couldn’t vote from 1965-1877. That’s what spawned the KKK and caused the Battle of Liberty Place leading to the end of reconstruction.
This post was edited on 3/27/18 at 10:42 am
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:10 am to GREENHEAD22
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They need to reinstate a test and property owner mandate.
sack up pussies
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:10 am to olddawg26
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Yup its pretty much been even steven besides those 14 years
But a 14 yr head start is a long arse time
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:10 am to SirWinston
Ha, someone would offer to buy it from them for $1.01 and ~80% would sell.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:11 am to StraightCashHomey21
Not to fit my narrative, but to fit reality. White women were definitely treated better than black men, so it's very surprising that they were denied the vote for so much longer.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:16 am to SirWinston
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White women were definitely treated better than black men, so it's very surprising that they were denied the vote for so much longer.
Well, the white womenz was too busy fixin sammiches in the kitchen to worry about voting.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:17 am to SirWinston
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Not to fit my narrative, but to fit reality. White women were definitely treated better than black men, so it's very surprising that they were denied the vote for so much longer.
like i said it was all women in general
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:44 am to Kujo
After federal troops pulled out of the south, Southern whites used intimidation and violence to deter many blacks from voting . This included lynching , castrations and other vile acts. It was this way that whites where able to regain much of the political power that had been stripped after loosing the civil war. without federal troops to enforce free and fair elections , whites were able to keep blacks marginalized for many decades after reconstruction.
Reconstruction turned out be a huge failure for blacks. also whites forced blacks to pass ridiculously difficult “literacy tests” that most whites could not even pass. These tests can be found online. so yes , under federal law blacks were granted the right to vote but southern whites pulled out all the stops to fix elections in their favor. When the confederates got back political power positions like Sheriff and Judge, in small towns there was not really anyone to file greivence with. Many blacks had to return to their former lives of indentured servitude as sharecroppers.
Reconstruction turned out be a huge failure for blacks. also whites forced blacks to pass ridiculously difficult “literacy tests” that most whites could not even pass. These tests can be found online. so yes , under federal law blacks were granted the right to vote but southern whites pulled out all the stops to fix elections in their favor. When the confederates got back political power positions like Sheriff and Judge, in small towns there was not really anyone to file greivence with. Many blacks had to return to their former lives of indentured servitude as sharecroppers.
This post was edited on 3/27/18 at 10:47 am
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:45 am to Kujo
Universal suffrage was the worst thing to ever happen to the country. I don't think property ownership is the proper qualification, but you should have to be able to pass the citizenship test regardless of where you were born, and do some sort of public service (military of civil service) to be a voting citizen.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:51 am to Powerman
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If someone makes 150K a year and pays plenty of taxes but prefers to rent for mobility reasons you think they shouldn't be allowed to vote?
I actually agree that if someone is a citizen and a net tax contributor (pays more in than they get), there should be consideration for them to vote.
There are landowners who contribute less in taxes to the government than non landowners (particularly those with tax breaks due to easements, etc).
It’s a valid point.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:53 am to Kujo
Goes to show that there is inequality even between whites.
Shocking.
Shocking.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:54 am to Bison
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Reconstruction turned out be a huge failure for blacks.
Minor quibble (that you probably agree with)
I won't so much call reconstruction a failure as that any progress made during that period was undone during the post-reconstruction period.
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