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re: This Obamacare quote perfectly captures the midlessness of some Americans

Posted on 2/7/17 at 3:02 am to
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10384 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 3:02 am to
The Affordable Care Act was nothing more than a huge transference of wealth. It is amazing that a benefit which was previously provided by employers on a voluntary basis has now been placed under governmental control, forcing certain employers to provide the benefits or be fined, while telling them how the benefits are to be paid, how much they must pay, what is covered and deciding which of their employees lifestyles are to be subsidized by other employees.

In addition we were also being forced to subsidize health insurers through reimbursement corridors and subsidies when they were required to discard actuarial prognostications to assume any all risks with the knowledge that if their profits dropped accordingly the taxpayers would make up the difference. Now the courts have finally reigned in this assault on our constitution by this administration by ruling these subsidies can only be paid when authorized by Congress. Congress has refused to allocate the funding and the carriers have elected to abandon this sinking vessel.

Yes, the " uninsured rate " may have dropped . Much of this is due to the mandate to purchase ( the first time in the history of this country the populace is forced to purchase a product just for existing) and those who would have been eligible for Medicaid even without the Affordable Care Act. Yet, the new insureds really are no better off as they must absorb large deductibles and co-payments to access their coverage. This is prohibitive for many. When the Democrats were passing the ACA we were told, depending on the audience that there were 30,000,000 to 50,000,000 uninsured people in the country who would benefit from passing the ACA. Lets split it and call it 40 million uninsured. If those numbers were true then there should have been a stampede to sign up for coverage last year and this year.

The Health and Human Services claims the number of signups this year is 9.4 million Remember, though we were not told the truth about 2015 signups and it was eventually uncovered and finally admitted by the administration that they had lied and the number of signups was actually 6.3 million and not the 8.7 million they touted until they were exposed. There was no confirmation of how many of the current 9.1 million were previously insured and lost their coverage due to the ACA. In reality there may have been only 5 million newly insured. The total insured may be well below 8 million by the end of the year.

My premiums have increased 64% since 2013 with higher deductibles and co-payments while I am also forced to subsidize the insurance of others. The president claimed premiums would be reduced $2,500 per family by the Affordable Care Act. The president knew this was not true and deliberately lied to the American people to push for the passage of the act.

The Democrats can be proud of themselves. They gave Obama his signature accomplishment and now the Democrats own it. It has already cost them the Congress and it was a significant factor in costing them the Presidency.

It would have been better for Congress to have allocated an assigned risk pool of funds to assist those who were shut out of the standard insurance markets by pre-existing conditions instead of this giant exercise in absurdity and lunacy. The Democrats had to resort to unconstitutional deception and bribery of reluctant Congresspersons from Nebraska, Louisiana and Michigan to get the law passed. We were lied to again and again and again by this administration.

Jonathan Gruber, one of the plan's major architects confirmed the level of deceit by the Democrats. Hard working tax paying citizens are being forced to subsidize health care for others, meanwhile many have lost their own coverage and are being forced to purchase insurance with higher premiums and higher deductibles and copayments. Despite Obama's claim it would reduce premiums an average of $2,500.00 per family this year's true numbers of participants will continue to drop, primarily due to the cost. A recent report stated more and more Obamacare recipients cancelled their policies even after being afforded great leniency by the very liberal rules set by this administration.

So we had to totally disrupt health coverage that many were happy with, had to endure a total revision of the healthcare system all for less than 3% of the population of this country. This continues to prove how incompetent this administration is and so ill prepared to govern. This is yet another example of how liberals operate. They will take what they can get at first. Then having gotten their foot in the door they return to press for the rest at a later date in the guise of fairness. Then anyone who objects is waging a war on those beneficiaries, a meme which their media minions is always willing to trumpet. Look no further than this current push for single payer option and the recent movement in California to cover illegal immigrants.

The Democrat Congress and President Obama passed a defective bill and will continue to pay the price for it. The Democrat Congress had to assure Obama got his signature accomplishment. You Democrats now own it lock, stock and barrel.
Posted by iluvlsusports
Somewhere in South Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
3664 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 3:13 am to
Very well said! The only people wanting to keep any part of Obamacare are the ones not paying for it.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
6580 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 3:56 am to
When everyone pays their fair share I'll be glad to pay mine instead of being forced to pay a penalty.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67497 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 6:16 am to
quote:

This Obamacare quote perfectly captures the midlessness of some Americans

It does.

My question; why didn't the Reps have a replacement plan already done and waiting?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124172 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 7:22 am to
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it's not mindlessness

it's selfishness
Considering proposals currently on the table would likely not impact him and might lower cost of his coverage, I'd have to go with "mindlessness"
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54228 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 7:36 am to
quote:

why didn't the Reps have a replacement plan already done and waiting?



Politics. Say the Reps spend two years formulating a replacement plan. We got the House and the Senate in our favor but not the Oval Office that will never sign a replacement plan by the first two. If we're being honest here, numbers were not really good for that scenario changing in 2016.

So, do you waste the time and effort on something that isn't really in the cards, i.e., a Rep. being elected? When it comes to politics, you wait until it happens then you pounce.
Posted by 31TIGERS
Mike’s habitat
Member since Dec 2004
7219 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:12 am to
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FanInLA
= rabid, liberal lunatic.
Posted by 31TIGERS
Mike’s habitat
Member since Dec 2004
7219 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:15 am to
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My question; why didn't the democrats think obamacare through and get input instead of ramming it down everyone's throats and then having the F'n nerve to tell everyone "you'll have to read it to see what's in it"?
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67497 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:01 am to
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Politics. Say the Reps spend two years formulating a replacement plan. We got the House and the Senate in our favor but not the Oval Office that will never sign a replacement plan by the first two. If we're being honest here, numbers were not really good for that scenario changing in 2016.

So, do you waste the time and effort on something that isn't really in the cards, i.e., a Rep. being elected? When it comes to politics, you wait until it happens then you pounce.


They weren't doing anything else; why not work on an alternative?

Let me answer my question for me.....bc they're all fricking establishment types and only wanted to bitch about Obamacare instead of actually doing something about it. Trump fricked up their whole plan.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:04 am to
There's a lot of ignorance on both sides on Obamacare. I love the ones that voted Trump so he can repeal Obamacare but want him to leave the ACA alone because they are on it.
Posted by TitleistProV1X
Member since Nov 2015
3515 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:33 am to
There are plenty of ways for poor people to get insurance. In fact someone I know is getting free insurance with basically everything covered for free on a Medicaid plan in LA called Louisiana Healthcare Connections. Now since this person was laid off last year he has opened up his own business and makes a minimum of 40k per month. Somehow he was able to get on Medicaid since he was laid off though. If he can do it making $500,000k per year anyone can.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27722 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:41 am to
This kid is so full of shite, it's pouring out his ears in the form of diarrhea. If he is a dependent because of his disability, there have always been ways and exceptions to get him on his parent's plan. IIRC, Marfans is something that can be easily treated and managed and sometimes cured. He's saying he can't spend the 25.00 a month for Benicar and go to the Lion's Club and get free glasses?
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:02 am to
Id love to see some of your choice quotes from 21 y/o.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25573 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:52 am to
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There's a lot of ignorance on both sides on Obamacare. I love the ones that voted Trump so he can repeal Obamacare but want him to leave the ACA alone because they are on it.




Obamacare is fundamentally un-American. It is government force of wealth distribution disguised as healthcare. I know that's okay by you, but it doesn't change the fact that it's un-American
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 4:37 pm to
Does the CEO not work for his salary?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50364 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 6:48 pm to
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Does the CEO not work for his salary?


Yep, so why are you complaining about premiums? Do you expect everyone to work for the same wages you and I make?

Just to be clear, you're saying it's reasonable for premiums to go toward CEO salaries but NOT actual healthcare, correct?
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 6:52 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423365 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 6:52 pm to
quote:

Just to be clear, you're saying it's reasonable for premiums to go toward CEO salaries but NOT actual healthcare, correct?

well in a purely market scenario, that's a voluntary agreement. the ACA removes this and makes not only the agreement mandatory, but also the forced subsidy
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