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This is why the Nissan UAW vote has some people nervous

Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:31 am
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:31 am
Seems that about 1,500 of the 6,500 workers were hired through a contractor, yet will have the same vote as those hired directly by Nissan.

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A bid by workers at Mississippi’s Nissan Motor Co. plant for United Auto Workers representation could turn on a key voting bloc — 1,500 workers who are Nissan employees today, but were initially hired through contract labor agencies.

Those workers say they make less than longtime Nissan employees and have worse benefits, and UAW supporters say that’s a disparity they’d like to address through contract negotiations.

“I think it’s very unfair because we’re doing the same job,” said Shanta Butler, a union supporter who started as a contract worker at Nissan in April 2014. “I think we should be gradually allowed to make our way up to what they’re making.”

Nissan, for its part, refuses to discuss specific wage and benefit levels.


Unfortunately, the people who seem to know what this could mean are ineligible to vote:

Bailey said that joining Nissan’s payroll was great “morale-wise.” Because she’s a manager, she can’t vote in the election, although she opposes the UAW.

“I can put food on my table without worrying about having to pay my light bill,” she said, saying her family’s economic security is much improved.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:33 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101311 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:32 am to
quote:

A bid by workers at Mississippi’s Nissan Motor Co. plant for United Auto Workers representation could turn on a key voting bloc — 1,500 workers who are Nissan employees today, but were initially hired through contract labor agencies.

Those workers say they make less than longtime Nissan employees and have worse benefits, and UAW supporters say that’s a disparity they’d like to address through contract negotiations.



So, the solution is to basically vote EVERYONE out of a job? Brilliance.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41648 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:33 am to
quote:

“I think it’s very unfair because we’re doing the same job,”
Do these people not understand the concept of performance raises? Someone who has been doing the job longer is (typically) going to be making more money. That's just how it works.

Unions suck...
Posted by hsfolk
Member since Sep 2009
18537 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:38 am to
i said in another thread:

doesn't really make sense to actually join the union and pay the dues since MS is a right to work state, you can still get the same benefits w/o having to pay for union membership
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11794 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:39 am to
quote:

Do these people not understand the concept of performance raises? Someone who has been doing the job longer is (typically) going to be making more money. That's just how it works.

Unions suck...


everyone is equal..... didnt you get the memo... we cant have someone with more experience, education, or performance make more then someone with less experience, education, or skill....
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:28 am to
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52918 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:53 am to
I bet shanta good worker so she wants Union protection
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12926 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:43 pm to
Idiots. Nissan won't do a thing that increases their cost in any significant way that hampers their competitiveness with the Detroit car makers. Then the employees will be stuck with a choice to go on strike or just be pissed off still.

And Nissan will meanwhile be planning to move production to Mexico or Tennessee. You want to know why Mississippi sucks arse - this kind of shite is why.

But hey - they gonna go show massa a thing or two with this union thing.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 12:44 pm
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:57 pm to
quote:

Unions suck...

Truth
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72026 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:58 pm to
Didn't Nissan already say that they would leave if this is a "yes" vote?
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81376 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:01 pm to
they said that, but they probably won't actually do it.

Ultimately the union will go too far, but I doubt this first action will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12926 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:26 pm to
quote:


Didn't Nissan already say that they would leave if this is a "yes" vote?


Doubt it. A clear threat to close the plant would be illegal. But that doesn't mean they won't do it over time if the workers vote the UAW in. Hell I would. I would not be held hostage by my own employees who have no capital investment in the bottom line. frick that. I'd learn to speak espanol before that bullshite.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10666 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:42 pm to
If they vote for union, then Nissan has only itself to blame. I mean if people are paid fairly and believe they are treated fairly they will vote no.

Union or non-Union Nissan will go to Mexico in about 20 years anyways.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67691 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:44 pm to
This thread needs one of Zach's UAW stories.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10666 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

This thread needs one of Zach's UAW stories.


Funny how Zach got a good job with higher than average wages and benefits with via the UAW.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12926 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:41 pm to
Did he bump some poor junior seniority UAW guy to get it?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98490 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:44 pm to
quote:

If they vote for union, then Nissan has only itself to blame. I mean if people are paid fairly and believe they are treated fairly they will vote no.


You are hard pressed to find anyone bitching about pay or treatment in Canton.

But the UAW will come in with promises of more $$$ and less work, and natural lazy fricking human impulse kicks in.

Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51895 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:48 pm to
It is interesting how often that model happens.


Influx of temp/contract employees who are union supporters/cry for same treatment as permanents and incite discontent and union support among permanents.

My place of employment narrowly avoided becoming unionized under similar circumstances last year.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12926 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:31 pm to
Temps are basically there as a layoff buffer. If the shite hits the fan they can just be sent home no muss no fuss.

It's the modern manufacturing model. UAW ain't gonna change that despite all their bullshite talk.
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