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Posted on 5/13/17 at 2:48 pm to tiger1014
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Sad Everyone should have the right to counsel
It should be a good petri dish to see how many of the SJW lawyers actually care about justice, social or otherwise. How many of them will run to offer their services for free?
Posted on 5/13/17 at 3:23 pm to scrooster
Yeah due process and the basic foundations of our legal system are unnecessary.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 3:28 pm to scrooster
"Like most people standing in the caged area of the visiting room, Carter is black." Why is this even relevant? Why is this in here if not to taint the article with imagined racism? The press has to stop this shite. Really.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 3:35 pm to tiger1014
We all have a right to counsel.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 3:38 pm to Lakeboy7
I generally do not, but I have worked for free at times.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 3:51 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Can the bar not encourage criminal defense attorneys to perform more pro bono?
Public defenders handle over 85% of criminal representation in the state of Louisiana. Asking the private defense bar to shoulder a pro bono caseload that would make any tangible dent in the problem would likely fail constitutional scrutiny.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:19 pm to Joshjrn
Holy hell that is a huge percentage. That's insane
Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:22 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Holy hell that is a huge percentage. That's insane
Indeed. I've seen that number in quite a few places over the years, but this was the first link I found when I just searched for a citation:
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The Southern Poverty Law Center said Louisiana has the nation's highest incarceration rate, the second-highest wrongful conviction rate, and that 85 percent of the defendants accused of a crime in the state are too poor to afford a private attorney.
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:33 pm to Joshjrn
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The Southern Poverty Law Center said Louisiana has the nation's highest incarceration rate, the second-highest wrongful conviction rate, and that 85 percent of the defendants accused of a crime in the state are too poor to afford a private attorney.
Sad. The DA and Sheriff mafia run the criminal justice system in this state.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:35 pm to Lakeboy7
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Sad. The DA and Sheriff mafia run the criminal justice system in this state.
As long as the voting population of this state thinks of law enforcement and prosecutors as infallible heroes and defense attorneys as detestable villains, that's unlikely to change.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:46 pm to Joshjrn
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and that 85 percent of the defendants accused of a crime in the state are too poor to afford a private attorney.
I've worked pipelines for most of my life and I've seen this same recurring situation for close to thirty years. There'll be some kid driving a $40,000 pickup who claims he can't afford a hired lawyer for some minor frickup and rather than selling his truck and driving a beater for a year, a public pretender convinces him to take a felony with no jail time and he thinks he "won". Then the next minor frick up sits him down for 5 years. Its bad with trailer park whites but almost universal with young black guys. There are lots of defendants like that who do have the means but don't see the value of a hired attorney. One of the most important lessons my father ever taught me was to lawyer up, even if it means selling off all your toys.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:49 pm to shinerfan
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I've worked pipelines for most of my life and I've seen this same recurring situation for close to thirty years. There'll be some kid driving a $40,000 pickup who claims he can't afford a hired lawyer for some minor frickup and rather than selling his truck and driving a beater for a year, a public pretender convinces him to take a felony with no jail time and he thinks he "won". Then the next minor frick up sits him down for 5 years. Its bad with trailer park whites but almost universal with young black guys. There are lots of defendants like that who do have the means but don't see the value of a hired attorney. One of the most important lessons my father ever taught me was to lawyer up, even if it means selling off all your toys.
If you don't mind my asking, what parish do you live in?
The reason I ask is, because of the way the system is set up in Louisiana, the structure of representation differs dramatically. Your bigger parishes (Orleans, EBR, Jefferson, Lafayette, etc) have full time staffed PD offices. In your smaller parishes, it's mostly contract work.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:58 pm to Joshjrn
From Morehouse, live in Ouachita, worked the whole Shreveport/East TX/OK area extensively the last 15 or so years. Texas PDs do seem considerably more engaged than LA but the LA shitshow has probably poisoned my mind against PDs as a whole.
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:58 pm to Joshjrn
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Southern Poverty Law Center
Now, there's a non-partisan group.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:59 pm to shinerfan
I can tell you that, in my experience, the full time offices in the bigger cities generally do better work than the random contract guys in the smaller parishes, but underfunding is a bitch across the board.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:00 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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Now, there's a non-partisan group.
Oh for frick's sake, I'm citing an objective, black and white statistic. Do we really need to quibble over the source?
Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:10 pm to EKG
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I didn't realize Louisiana was that bad off.
The state funds the Public Defenders Offices and the DA's, but the DA's also get local funding and a cut of ticket and fine revenue as well as a share of proceeds from police auctions and civil asset forfieture. DA's have the police to investigate for them. Public Defenders don't even have the budget to spend more than 5 minutes with their clients before their trial date let alone hire private investigators to investigate the facts of the case. Crime labs are paid by the DA's, and have an incentive to give positive results in order to maintain business.
DA's make a decent living for a government employee and rarely work more than 50 hours in a week. Public Defenders work 80 hours of week for next to nothing.
Basically, if you're accused of a crime in Louisiana and have to use a public defender, the most they will be able to do for you is ask to take a plea bargain and maybe raise a blatantly obvious objection during a trial if you refuse to take the offered plea. They literally do not have the time or budget to do anything else.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:25 pm to Joshjrn
St Benard may actually be the worst I've seen. I posted bond for a couple of kids who got pulled over because the bulb that illuminates the license plate was out. The cop on the scene claimed that justified a search, he told me the same as I was bonding them out on a weed charge two hours later. They shared the same PD and he had zero interest in contesting that bullshite search. I took a special interest in that one because I found out that night that one of them was sixteen and I had let him hire on with his cousin's ID. Kid ended up wirking for me for years, he's a coating inspector now.
I have no idea how to fix it. I have no idea where the money would come from, but I hate the idea that everyone is just willing to pretend that defendants are receiving competent counsel when that is so very far from the truth.
I have no idea how to fix it. I have no idea where the money would come from, but I hate the idea that everyone is just willing to pretend that defendants are receiving competent counsel when that is so very far from the truth.
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