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re: This about sums up my thoughts on the ice bucket challenge
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:56 am to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:56 am to SpidermanTUba
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The real question is does the ice bucket challenge cause people to donate more in general - or do they just take money that they would have given to another charity to make the donation?
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me...it caused me to read about the disease, read about the organizations that are out there, and to donate money. I didn't reduce my other giving by any amount -- I gave more than I would have ($0) had my name not been called out.
I imagine that story is the same for many (not all) people.
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:59 am to shel311
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you wonder how people can support creating awareness for a terrible disease and thus raise way more money that if the awareness wasn't created?
no, why people support/defend this social peacocking under the guise of social awareness
other than the moral/hypocrisy issue, do you really want charities to thrive based on who comes up with the best social media marketing gimmick?
i do not
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:so you're OK with telling people where they should donate their money?
and, as tuba pointed out, $15M less for other charities most likely
Nice.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm being critical of hypocrisy
What is the hypocrisy you are criticizing, exactly?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:02 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You're assuming the worst in people which goes to my point... Habitual complainers need something to complain about so you make up numbers and assume most people have negative intent even though if you were correct, those people wouldnt also donate so there's that you're ignoring.
giving to charity so that people can see you is terrible
People love to complain, that's all this is about. Nothing more.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:03 am to DrEdgeLSU
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What is the hypocrisy you are criticizing, exactly?
if we criticize people for being "sheep" or being a BDM or being an emotional thinker in other areas, it should apply here, too
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:04 am to DrEdgeLSU
quote:You're a sheep and shame on you for not donating elsewhere.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me...it caused me to read about the disease, read about the organizations that are out there, and to donate money. I didn't reduce my other giving by any amount -- I gave more than I would have ($0) had my name not been called out.
I imagine that story is the same for many (not all) people.
Signed,
Sfp
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:04 am to shel311
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You're assuming the worst in people
uh
what i posted is exactly what this scheme relies upon. if you want to call that the "worst" then that's your terms/judgments
are you saying this scheme does NOT rely on upon people displaying the fact that they're "doing something" for a "good cause"?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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no, why people support/defend this social peacocking under the guise of social awareness
So, just to be clear, you're in favor of people doing what exactly to increase awareness of a cause that is worthy of peoples' attention? Can they post in text on facebook? Or is that "peacocking"? Can they tell anyone they did it? Can they ask others to do it? Just lay it out for us.
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other than the moral/hypocrisy issue
Which is.....?
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do you really want charities to thrive based on who comes up with the best social media marketing gimmick?
I want charities to thrive because they are successful in achieving a worthy goal. They need money and awareness in order to do that. Please list all of the charities that are thriving but have no "marketing" associated with them.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:they are... to create awareness. Seems like a simple concept.
are you saying this scheme does NOT rely on upon people displaying the fact that they're "doing something" for a "good cause"?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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if we criticize people for being "sheep" or being a BDM or being an emotional thinker in other areas, it should apply here, too
What?
Could you be more vague?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:06 am to shel311
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if true, they wouldn't be donating anything.
Ding ding ding. You watch the video. But the actual inputing of credit card info is not captured for FB. If these were all attention whore posers, where is the money coming from?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:08 am to shel311
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they are... to create awareness. Seems like a simple concept.
Exactly. Note the "challenge" aspect of the whole thing. I know that every person I challenged did in fact donate money. I donated money. I can't speak for everyone. But I can speak for myself. I was uninformed about the disease and the work being done to help individuals suffering from it. I am "less uninformed now." But apparently, that's hypocritical and immoral.
I can donate, quietly, and end the "challenge." Or, I can donate, publicly, and challenge others to do the same.
Who is harmed in this scenario?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
This thread is not one of your better efforts bro. The fact you started off agreeing with Tuba should have probably been the first red flag that made you rethink things.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:09 am to DrEdgeLSU
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you're in favor of people doing what exactly to increase awareness of a cause that is worthy of peoples' attention?
simply disseminating information so that people can read, judge, and evaluate. in a perfect world this would be how it unfolded
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Can they tell anyone they did it?
THAT is peacocking, by definition
that's the whole point of peacocking
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Which is.....?
if we criticize BDM/emotional thinking/etc in other areas, it's not off limits b/c a good cause may benefit
the ends do not justify the means, in other words
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I want charities to thrive because they are successful in achieving a worthy goal.
again, you also have to go look at my thread from last year that isn't anti-charity, but is seen that way
i think that things would be better if we used a lot of that money towards private investment, which improves our social standard moreso, which gets even more money flowing for research in various areas
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:11 am to DrEdgeLSU
quote:sfp is assuming no one does this because if not, he can't complain about it.
I was uninformed about the disease and the work being done to help individuals suffering from it. I am "less uninformed now." But apparently, that's hypocritical and immoral.
Again, all it is is a reason to complain about something, anything, especially the thing he thinks is seen as "cool"
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:11 am to onmymedicalgrind
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The fact you started off agreeing with Tuba
hey now, while i do not agree with his insane economic policies, we will find an overlap in social issues/areas
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:12 am to shel311
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sfp is assuming no one does
no i didn't
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:What are the means? Why are you assuming the means are negative?
the ends do not justify the means, in other words
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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why people support/defend this social peacocking under the guise of social awareness
wow. It is social awareness. The peacoking angle does not detract from that. I expect better of you than to set up false dichotomies in an argument. smh.
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other than the moral/hypocrisy issue
wat?
quote:
do you really want charities to thrive based on who comes up with the best social media marketing gimmick?
i do not
Are you just bored? Because these arguments seem as if you arent even trying to avoid arguing from a logical fallacy.
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