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re: There has been a lot more terrorism against the west since desert storm than before
Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:48 am to I B Freeman
Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:48 am to I B Freeman
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They still hate us for that.
If the "they" you're talking about are the hardliners then I agree but your average Iranian loves the West and they wish we'd get rid of the hardliners.
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:54 am to I B Freeman
More so Western Infulence in general.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:57 am to I B Freeman
Why do they also hate India, Nigeria, Egypt, France, Algeria, Yemen, Russia, Saudi , Israel, Qatar, turkey, etc? Seems like they find reason in almost any country they interact with.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:16 am to I B Freeman
Correlation? Probably not the word you are looking for.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:25 am to I B Freeman
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Do you think there is a correlation between the huge increase in US military involvement in the ME/Southern Asia and terrorism?
Terrorists need money and the ME raked it in for years. When the Soviets left Afghanistan, their attention began turning to other areas such as spreading their influence. It's same metality watching liberals call for Confederate statues to be taken down then moving on to Lincoln, Washington, etc.
The Islamic countries of the ME will always be a problem regardless where your troops are. Those areas have never left other areas alone. Other countries can try to appease them or avoid them but the ME will not be allowed to be ignored or appeased.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:32 am to I B Freeman
The rise of Islamic Fundamentalism in Countries where dictatorial tyrants once kept It/Them under foot is the reason for "more terrorism". It all started with the overthrow of the Shah of Iran; snowballed from there.
Clash of Civilizations; Theocracy vs. Democratic Individual Freedom. Kinda like Marxism/Socialism vs. Capitalism. All about the Collective vs. the Individual. Or the State of Israel vs. the Palestinian State. Polar opposites...and no possibility of a solution given the current visionary dynamic.
Clash of Civilizations; Theocracy vs. Democratic Individual Freedom. Kinda like Marxism/Socialism vs. Capitalism. All about the Collective vs. the Individual. Or the State of Israel vs. the Palestinian State. Polar opposites...and no possibility of a solution given the current visionary dynamic.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:36 am to I B Freeman
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There has been a lot more terrorism against the west since desert storm than before
So the reason for those attacks in Germany,Belgium and France was because of Desert Storm?
You really want to go with that narrative?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:11 am to RD Dawg
Desert Storm was the beginning of the West's massive efforts to expand militarily in the ME.
I don't know if OBL would have targeted the US if we had not built a permanent base in SA.
But yes I do think a lot more terrorist exist now than before because of the chaos created as we have worked to change regimes.
I don't know if OBL would have targeted the US if we had not built a permanent base in SA.
But yes I do think a lot more terrorist exist now than before because of the chaos created as we have worked to change regimes.
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 10:15 am
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:13 am to I B Freeman
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I don't know if OBL would have targeted the US if we had built a permanent base in SA.
I know this was his talking point but terrorists usually just like to kill & destroy; they don't need a reason.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:16 am to Wtodd
OBL wanted to overthrow the House of Saud--installed BTW by the WW1 allies as they broke up the remaining Ottoman Empire.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:17 am to I B Freeman
quote:You mean if Florida had perpetrated a senseless 9/11-style attack on Russia first?
Would you become a terrorist if Russia sent forces into Florida?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:17 am to I B Freeman
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Do you think there is a correlation between the huge increase in US military involvement in the ME/Southern Asia and terrorism?
Yes.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:18 am to I B Freeman
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OBL wanted to overthrow the House of Saud--installed BTW by the WW1 allies as they broke up the remaining Ottoman Empire.
I know......on paper it "appears" that OBL's terrorist initiation was somewhat honorable as in I want my SA back.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:27 am to NC_Tigah
Which nation committed 911?
My stance after 911 was we should give the Taliban a week to turn over OBL and his people and nuke em if they didn't.
Not one more drop of American blood should be spilled there.
My stance after 911 was we should give the Taliban a week to turn over OBL and his people and nuke em if they didn't.
Not one more drop of American blood should be spilled there.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:36 am to I B Freeman
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My stance after 911 was we should give the Taliban a week to turn over OBL and his people and nuke em if they didn't.
You really think W wasn't going to war in Afghanistan AND Iraq? No way he wasn't going to give the warhawks everything they wanted.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:38 am to I B Freeman
your title is inaccurate. when is the last time this was flashed all over TVs world wide?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:45 am to I B Freeman
quote:Nuke 'em, eh?
My stance after 911 was we should give the Taliban a week to turn over OBL and his people and nuke em if they didn't.
Nuke'em wit' one a'dem special kind'a nukes that only nukes dem Tallybons, eh?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:47 am to I B Freeman
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Do you think there is a correlation between the huge increase in US military involvement in the ME/Southern Asia and terrorism?
It's one of many, not necessarily mutually exclusive reasons:
- Breakdown of the Cold War order
- More involvement in the Middle East and elsewhere in the Islamic world because of said breakdown
- Greatly expanded spread of Salafist ideas and resources throughout the Islamic world over the last 40 years (arguably the most important reason)
- A sense of rootlessness in the large immigration movements of the modern world
- the Internet
There are more, but I think you get the idea.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:48 am to AbuTheMonkey
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There are more
Like removing dictators that kept a lid on shite??? There's #1 on any list
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:18 am to I B Freeman
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West's massive efforts to expand militarily in the ME.
So Germany,France and Belgium had a "massive effort to expand militarily in the ME"
after desert storm???
What about the Chechnya,Georgia and India?
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