re: The political agenda of a man born with silver spoons in every orifice

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How has that worked out for Vermont?

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I don't know. I know that's it worked pretty well for the UK, France, Canada, Germany, Japan, Australia, Ireland, and New Zealand, though.

It's a good thing Will Rogers never met you, Rexella.

The streak would've been broken.

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I don't know.

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Is the only statement that you've made in the last week that's been correct.

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it worked pretty well for the UK, France, Canada, Germany, Japan, Australia, Ireland, and New Zealand, though

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All countries that have their defense subsidized by the US, and all countries that don't provide coverage to illegals. All countries that have some form of care that provide better coverage for those born with silver spoons in every orifice.

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If you call lower quality, less access, and annual deficits "well."

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Neaux.

He does call ignorance bliss though.

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He knew that no government could possibly run citizens' lives for the better. The more government tries to control, the greater the disaster, as shown by the current health-care debacle.

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but to deliberately misrepresent Jefferson's attitudes toward government is pretty indicative and typical of the methods employed by rightwingers

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Yep, everybody knows that Jefferson was for big government.

I guess that's why he distrusted cities so much, and dreamt of a predominantly agrarian nation.

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David Koch ran as the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential candidate in 1980. His brother, Charles, wrote a WSJ editorial last week in favor of plutocracy that was warmly greeted by his Republican whores in Congress.

The Koch brothers, of course, have never had to worry about a dime in their lives, and is there ANYTHING more stupid than the Libertarian Party? Privatization of roads and bridges and inland streams, indeed.

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Rex the website "forwardprogressives" is going to fry what's left of your brain.

One of my favorites out of this article about the Koch brothers...

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Many conservatives blindly support almost anything the GOP tells them to support without an inkling of an idea about the real force that’s almost singlehandedly buying their entire party.

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Pot meet Kettle

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“We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”

“We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”

“We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”

“We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”

“We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”

“We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”

“We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”

“We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”

“As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”

“We support repealof all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”

“We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”

“We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”

“We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”

“We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”

“We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”

“We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”

“We demand the return of America’s railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”

“We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called “self-protection” equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”

“We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”

“We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”

“We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”

“We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”

“We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”

“We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”

“We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”

“We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”

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Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, regarding the concentration of wealth and power:

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Which became a lot more concentrated at the top under your Messiah.

Jefferson also had no problem with the bloody Reign of Terror in France, and thought he could keep the US from being dragged into the war between the French and the Brits, and enacted policies to prevent involvement-he thought, which led to a huge economic downturn in the US.

You know, just because you're right on some things, doesn't make you right on everything else.

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It was an internal revolution that was due because of an unjust and tyrannical French government. Why would Jefferson intercede?

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Exactly where did I say Jefferson should intercede. And the Revolution was over by the time Jefferson became president. Maybe you need to read an history book.

As Secretary of State, Jefferson was anything but neutral. He was pro-French then,and did much to undermine Washington, as Washington tried to protect the US from harassment from both the Brits and the French.

There was never a question of the US being involved. It was how the representatives of the Directoire were to be treated, and how the revolutionary government was to be dealt with. Jefferson actually conspired with the French Minister Edmond Genet behind Washington's back to stir up trouble in Kentucky and Louisiana, and generally cause problems with the Brits. He was incredibly disloyal to Washington, and his meddling caused many problems for Washington.


He allowed his personal hatred of all things British to influence his support for a revolution that had spiralled down into a wholesale slaughter, as Secretary of State he threw his lot in so much with the French, that he painted himself into a corner by the time he became president. Those actions prior to his presidency, and his attempt to thread the needle signalled an hostility to Britain, that merely gave it an excuse to act aggressively to the US. Which led to US involvement in the War of 1812.

My point is that just because Jefferson was correct on many things, inalienable rights, etc, doesn't make him infallible.

Oh, and as far as reading history books. I have a degree in history, with an emphasis on British History from the time of the Tudors to the mid-20th century.