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re: The political agenda of a man born with silver spoons in every orifice
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:44 am to Rex
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:44 am to Rex
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For one thing, the ACA is most definitely not a debacle, directly leading to the lowest rate of uninsured Americans in decades, but to deliberately misrepresent Jefferson's attitudes toward government is pretty indicative and typical of the methods employed by rightwingers, whether fatcats or merely stupid.
You reference one letter from 1826 in which Jefferson admits that equal division of property is impossible and that there are certain avenues that Congress could take to reduce concentration of wealth such as a progressive income tax as support for an Act that has and will siphon billions of dollars from the middle class and redistribute it to the lower class and the government.
Complete nonsense.
If anything, the current direction of American politics from both sides of the aisle (including the last five years) cuts directly against Jefferson's position in this letter as it redistributes property from the middle class - not those who hold most the wealth proportionally - and redirects it to the political allies and support base of the those in power. In fact, that is exactly what the ACA does.
Jefferson, Madison, et al. would be disappointed in the current state of the U.S. but not because of the reasons you assign. The constant squeeze of the American middle class by both parties combined with the massive reduction in personal freedoms due to expansion of the executive power would have them rolling in their graves.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 10:48 am
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:53 am to Rex
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Public schools - to the extent he's talking about federal control/influence, I am fine with this
Taxation - can't support this. Certain taxation is necessary to support the constitutional functions of government (post office, state, military, customs, etc.)
Social Security - yes. It's unconstitutional (and even if constitutional, it's outright theft in support of a Ponzi scheme)
Welfare - at the federal level? yes
the Federal Reserve - nope (although, it should be reined in)
the Department of Energy - yep
the Environmental Protection Agency - nope (but greatly scaled back)
the Food and Drug Administration - nope (but scaled back)
OSHA - yep
the Federal Communications Commission - in its current form, yes
the National Labor Relations Board - yes
the FBI - no, but greatly contracted
the CIA - no, but serious sanctions for domestic activity by the CIA directed to US citizens
the Federal Trade Commission - no
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:56 am to Rex
Whoever it is, I'd vote for him... 
Finally some guy with sense, and they say the good guys don't exist..
Finally some guy with sense, and they say the good guys don't exist..Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:59 am to CamdenTiger
Do we know yet who this person is?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 11:56 am to Choctaw
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John Kerry
Was my first pick
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:And that doesn't include the unnecessary higher rates paid by the "haves".
That means 176 billion/2.2 million= $80,000/person/year.
Seems like a high price to pay to buy votes with.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:23 pm to Rex
quote:by most estimates, thats about 10% of the uninsured. That's success?
3.5 million newly insured under the ACA:
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:47 pm to Rex
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the ACA is most definitely not a debacle, directly leading to the lowest rate of uninsured Americans in decades,
Analogy..
"Welfare is not a debacle, directly leading to the highest number of Americans who don't feel the need to work."
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:48 pm to Rex
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For one thing, the ACA is most definitely not a debacle,
Ezra is that you??
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:50 pm to Taxing Authority
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Seems like a high price to pay to buy votes with.
No price is too high to buy votes with when you are using other people's money.
DEM stock in trade. Hard to beat them at that game. They are almost there = over half the voters are interested in nothing more than how much the gummit will give them.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:01 pm to dante
quote:I doubt it was Jello Biafra. Maybe East Bay Ray would have had such sentiments.
Was it one of the dead Kennedy's?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:51 pm to Rex
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Oh, but you know that I am,
Uh, no. You're not.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:54 pm to Poodlebrain
David Koch ran as the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential candidate in 1980. His brother, Charles, wrote a WSJ editorial last week in favor of plutocracy that was warmly greeted by his Republican whores in Congress.
The Koch brothers, of course, have never had to worry about a dime in their lives, and is there ANYTHING more stupid than the Libertarian Party? Privatization of roads and bridges and inland streams, indeed.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
The Koch brothers, of course, have never had to worry about a dime in their lives, and is there ANYTHING more stupid than the Libertarian Party? Privatization of roads and bridges and inland streams, indeed.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:03 pm to ChineseBandit58
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over half the voters are interested in nothing more than how much the gummit will give them.
This is the type of "logic" you contend that defeats me and that I "lie" about when I deny. The truth of the matter is that you don't know what logic is... typical for your set.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:08 pm to Rex
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and is there ANYTHING more stupid than the Libertarian Party?
Yes. The Communist Party in America. AKA, Democrats.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:42 pm to Rex
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In other words, let NOTHING stand in the way of the oligarchic station entitled by his birth. Why have prosperity among the masses when feudalism serves himself better?
I hope you realize that these organizations serve to protect these 'oligarchs' whom you disdain.
I was born in to a privileged family. They made more of their wealth through government protection, legislation, and cronyism than outright market competition.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 3:43 pm to Rex
so the system that was supposed to insure healthcare for everyone, insured 3.5 of 51 million people
Killin it.
And it is only costing us what?
Killin it.
And it is only costing us what?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 3:55 pm to LSURussian
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aphasia.
Can't afford a diagnosis under the ACA, so we'll never know for sure.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 4:02 pm to SammyTiger
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so the system that was supposed to insure healthcare for everyone, insured 3.5 of 51 million people
It was never designed to insure everyone. It was YOUR OWN PARTY that has always fought tooth and nail against universal coverage. Obama and the Democrats took what they felt like they could get.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 4:03 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
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