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Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:22 am to
Posted by DuncanIdaho
Ouray, CO
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:22 am to
Good one, pussy.
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:22 am to
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It really doesn't matter what the end result was or how people feel about the confederacy and the USA, Abe Lincoln was a tyrannical war criminal that shat all over the american constitution and let his generals brutalize people that they grew up with just for the sake of brutalizing them.


Sure that was it.

Posted by SouthernHog
Arkansas
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:23 am to
Could take both all at once
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 3:08 am to
Dude it's 2017; Stop taking more Federal Aid than other states if you want to re-fight the Civil War.

This tiresome rhetoric would carry more weight if former CSA states were actually financially independent and not more dependent on the Federal government than any other states.

You're right though, it might have been fruitless...

The South would have been on the government dole quicker than you can whistle Dixie without the war with the sentiment of anti-slavery being a global phenomenon. Try selling cotton to the rest of world as an independent (but dependent society) on a dying economy.

Lincoln did the South a favor by saving them from disaster and their own foolishnesses by giving them the protection of Federal financial stability and solvency and aid.

But you're right, he probably didn't need to fight a war over treasonous secession. Those states would have come crawling back in about 30 years after throwing a hissy fit when the world had moved on.

Slavery wasn't going to last forever despite your forefathers proclamations at the time of secession.


Posted by Collegedropout
Where Northern Mexico meets Dixie
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 3:14 am to


Posted by FanInLA
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 3:26 am to
quote:

Dude it's 2017; Stop taking more Federal Aid than other states if you want to re-fight the Civil War. This tiresome rhetoric would carry more weight if former CSA states were actually financially independent and not more dependent on the Federal government than any other states. You're right though, it might have been fruitless... The South would have been on the government dole quicker than you can whistle Dixie without the war with the sentiment of anti-slavery being a global phenomenon. Try selling cotton to the rest of world as an independent (but dependent society) on a dying economy. Lincoln did the South a favor by saving them from disaster and their own foolishnesses by giving them the protection of Federal financial stability and solvency and aid. But you're right, he probably didn't need to fight a war over treasonous secession. Those states would have come crawling back in about 30 years after throwing a hissy fit when the world had moved on. Slavery wasn't going to last forever despite your forefathers proclamations at the time of secession.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:35 am to


First call. First call to colors.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:42 am to
quote:

But you're right, he probably didn't need to fight a war over treasonous secession.

Those states would have come crawling back in about 30 years after throwing a hissy fit when the world had moved on.


This. The slavers insisted on the total ignorance of the slaves. Solomon Northup, the New Yorker tricked and sold into slavery was told that if the slavers found out that he could read and write, he would be killed at once.

So, as work became more and more techno based - the south would have gotten even further behind.





This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 7:45 am
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:46 am to
Neal Boortz has often stated that Independence Day should not be celebrated at all. Because Americans today are scared to death of the whole concept of independence. They want to be taken care of by govt.
Posted by dwr353
Member since Oct 2007
2130 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:57 am to
I had ancestors who fought against the British in the Acadian component of the Spanish militia. Had multiple ancestors who served the Confederacy. My grandfather was a Doughboy. My father was a gunner's mate in the South Pacific. My cousin was paralyzed at Normandy and my wife's uncle was killed in Korea. I can celebrate and honor all of them without losing my Southern loyalty.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27206 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:57 am to
H.L. Mencken might be inclined to agree with you:

quote:

The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty — and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies.

Baltimore Evening Sun (12 February 1923)
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:59 am to
quote:

Abe Lincoln was a tyrannical war criminal that shat all over the american constitution and let his generals brutalize people that they grew up with just for the sake of brutalizing them.


None of that is true but in any case President Lincoln was indemnified for all his actions by the Habeas Corpus Act of 1863.

"The Habeas Corpus Suspension Act, 12 Stat. 755 (1863), entitled An Act relating to Habeas Corpus, and regulating Judicial Proceedings in Certain Cases, was an Act of Congress that authorized the president of the United States to suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus in response to the United States Civil War and provided for the release of political prisoners. It began in the House of Representatives as an indemnity bill, introduced on December 5, 1862, releasing the president and his subordinates from any liability for having suspended habeas corpus without congressional approval.[1] The Senate amended the House's bill,[2] and the compromise reported out of the conference committee altered it to qualify the indemnity and to suspend habeas corpus on Congress's own authority.[3] Abraham Lincoln signed the bill into law on March 3, 1863, and suspended habeas corpus under the authority it granted him six months later. The suspension was partially lifted with the issuance of Proclamation 148 by Andrew Johnson,[4] and the Act became inoperative with the end of the Civil War. The exceptions to his Proclamation 148 were the States of Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Texas, the District of Columbia, and the Territories of New Mexico and Arizona."

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Posted by GFaceKillah
Welcome to the Third World
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:03 am to
quote:

just the way I am.


Is it hard living life with an intellectual disability?
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:05 am to
Abraham Lincoln: Deciding the Fate of 300 Indians Convicted of War Crimes in Minnesota’s Great Sioux Uprising


“Three hundred Indians have been sentenced to death in Minnesota by a Military Commission, and execution only awaits my action,” he wrote to Judge Advocate General Joseph Holt. “I wish your legal opinion whether if I should conclude to execute only a part of them, I must myself designate which, or could I leave the designation to some officer on the ground?” Holt answered, “I am quite sure the power cannot be delegated.” So Lincoln began reviewing the trials. The president first reviewed them as the expert lawyer he truly was. His political fortunes had often risen and fallen, but Lincoln’s brilliant legal career had remained a constant. Largely self-taught, he gained a formidable reputation as both a defense lawyer and court-appointed prosecutor known for his piercing cross-examinations and folksy, countrified manner. He continually asserted he was “not an accomplished lawyer,” but Lincoln appeared before the Illinois Supreme Court more than 200 times and made a small fortune as one of the principal lawyers for the Illinois Central Railroad. The president often utilized his legal skills when called upon to review the hundreds of Civil War military court verdicts appealed to him. By law and practice, there were basically two types of military courts at the time: courts martial and military commissions. Courts martial were comprised of a dozen officers and were generally held to try officers and enlisted men for dereliction of duty—sleeping while on sentry duty, cowardice, desertion, conduct unbecoming an officer—and for crimes such as rape and murder. Military commissions usually consisted of less than a dozen officers and were convened in areas where martial law had been declared, to try civilians accused of military crimes—spying, smuggling, conducting guerrilla actions against Union troops, and recruiting for the Confederacy.

The law allowed the convicted to appeal to Lincoln in most cases, and in capital cases it was a matter of right. In the midst of the havoc wrought by the war, Lincoln spent many hours of many days reviewing transcripts and receiving visits from the pleading family members of convicted men. Lincoln could easily see the defects of the Dakota trials...

Any death sentence for rape or murder, whether from courts martial or commission, stood a 50- to-80 percent chance of being upheld upon presidential review. Lincoln issued his decision in the Dakota cases on December 6, 1862. He later explained his rationale to the Senate: “Anxious to not act with so much clemency as to encourage another outbreak on the one hand, nor with so much severity as to be real cruelty on the other, I caused a careful examination of the records of trials to be made, in view of first ordering the execution of such as had been proved guilty of violating females. Contrary to my expectations, only two of this class were found. I then directed a further examination, and a classification of all who were proven to have participated in massacres, as distinguished from participation in battles.” Lincoln’s order to Sibley—in his own handwriting—allowed the execution of only 39 of the 303 condemned Dakota."

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President Lincoln was a great and merciful man.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:34 am to
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When my glorious ancestors declared their freedom from the war criminal Abe Lincoln.


I wouldn't expect someone like you to figure this out, but seven states published their "null" and "void" under U.S. law secession documents even before Lincoln took office.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64500 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:36 am to
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:39 am to
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27206 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:50 am to
Oh, are you from Virginia?

Not sure why someone claiming either Arkansas or Texas would be inclined to fly a flag that had very little to do with them. Anyway, I find it interesting that people are so insistent to fly a flag that never represented the national confederacy as opposed to something that did, like this:



Why do you think that is?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64500 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:54 am to
Tats I think.

This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 10:55 am
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64500 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:57 am to
quote:

When my glorious ancestors declared their freedom


What day do you use?
SC first leaving?
Jeff Davis birthday.
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