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re: The narrative that poverty = violence & murder
Posted on 11/23/16 at 6:13 am to NIH
Posted on 11/23/16 at 6:13 am to NIH
quote:hopelessness & despair = violence & murder.
The narrative that poverty = violence & murder
poverty in the shadow of others' widespread success leads to hopelessness & despair
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 6:15 am
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 7:37 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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No doubt, but that wouldn't explain why impoverished blacks areas are soooo much more violent than impoverished white areas.
No, but it does fly in the face of the OP which questions the link between poverty and violence. Its also why I specifically said that racial culture as it pertains to violence is a separate matter.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 7:39 am to NIH
Meh rural Appalachia is pretty rough. There just isn't a police presence like in inner cities
Posted on 11/23/16 at 7:40 am to buckeye_vol
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I think people (both right and left) want there to be a single factor. And even acknowledging that factor, but also acknowledging other factors, is seen as a complete disagreement for some reason.
Spot on. The people wanting to make this about a single factor here in this thread and elsewhere are dipshits.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 7:52 am to NIH
I don't think it all can be explained by socio-economic reasons. It accounts for a lot but not everything.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 9:15 am to PrimeTime Money
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Are there any wealthy black areas?
Prince George's county. Mostly government jobs but it's mostly black, has high incomes, and very little poverty. In fact it's probably in the top 5% in terms of low poverty rate and median incomes.
Still had 80 murders last year tho.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 10:03 am to NIH
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There are lots of dirt poor places in Appalachia with non-existent violent crime, in addition to cities like El Paso & San Antonio which are pretty safe relative to cities their size.
Appalachia has no wealth. Everybody knows everybody else and, so it's tougher to get away with crime.
The Texas cities have mainly poor Mexicans, who come from a country where they were even poorer. They probably consider themselves fortunate. Plus, getting caught committing a crime means deportation, as well.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 10:22 am to buckeye_vol
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Well nobody has argued that race isn't a factor.
Lots of people argue this, though not in this thread. Those people are idiots.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 10:25 am to Pilot Tiger
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the homicide rate in the US was 5.0 in 2012
it was 9.8 in 1991
homicides from the mid 60s to the mid 90s were basically double what they are now
I basically agree with you on these stats, but I have read some recent research that casts doubts on these numbers. I'll try to find a link. Basically, it's that the many small and rural communities didn't have the technology long ago to report crime stats to the FBI, so it brings all old crime stats into question. They were reportedly skewed by the big cities and areas with technology.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:14 pm to Asgard Device
quote:That's really interesting...
Prince George's county. Mostly government jobs but it's mostly black, has high incomes, and very little poverty. In fact it's probably in the top 5% in terms of low poverty rate and median incomes.
Still had 80 murders last year tho.
They have a low poverty rate, high income, and it's 65% Black and 15% Hispanic, and 19% White, and they have a murder rate of about 10 per 100,000.
That's more than 2x the national average.
Yet that is a wealthy area... they should have LOWER than the national average. Not 2x higher.
Is there a reason why they have so many murders in such a wealthy area other than it being due to race?
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:42 pm to NIH
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Mate, where do you feel safer? In poor arse Delcambre or Hopkins St?
I haven't been to either place in 50 years but growing up in New Iberia, Delcambre was middle class white people and Hopkins St was poor whites and some blacks. The all black neighborhood was Morbihan and they were poor but rural and had very low crime. Lydia had a high population of blacks but they were farmers and they weren't poor.
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:46 pm to Fontainebleau Dr.
"The fact is that murder is up because single parenthood rates are up."
But murder isn't up unless perhaps you mean VERY recently. Murder rate has been trending downward for a long time.
But murder isn't up unless perhaps you mean VERY recently. Murder rate has been trending downward for a long time.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:53 pm to NC_Tigah
"hopelessness & despair = violence & murder."
I politely challenge you to test your assertion against evidence. I suspect that, at a minimum, you will find that something else is going on.
I politely challenge you to test your assertion against evidence. I suspect that, at a minimum, you will find that something else is going on.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:57 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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But murder isn't up unless perhaps you mean VERY recently. Murder rate has been trending downward for a long time.
You're from NO. Maybe you heard about them cooking the numbers to reduce murder rates. If a victim died on the spot he was murdered. If he made it to the ER alive and died he was 'deceased in hospital.'
Politicians in urban centers have a motive to keep rates down even if they have to lie.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 4:09 pm to Zach
Zach,
Murder rates nationwide have been falling for decades. Not just here in NOLA. This has been widely reported for years. If you think it's all a hoax and that there are more murders now than in 1990, then there's not much point in engaging.
Murder rates nationwide have been falling for decades. Not just here in NOLA. This has been widely reported for years. If you think it's all a hoax and that there are more murders now than in 1990, then there's not much point in engaging.
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