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Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:06 pm to NIH
quote:That was my premise about federal metrics and guidelines (including taxes) that are problematic due to regional and local variations.
Detroit is also very affordable. Wasn't that the premise of your first reply?
But yes, affordability as it relates to the poverty line is part of that. Is Detroit and Dan Antonio that different in regards to affordability?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:07 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
yep
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:08 pm to buckeye_vol
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Is Detroit and Dan Antonio that different in regards to affordability?
I'd imagine Detroit is about as affordable as possible in relation to every other major city in America
The difference is the crime
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:09 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Well the 5 poorest counties by per capita income all have at least one black person. LINK
I'm from the poorest county in Michigan and violent crime is nonexistent.
Detroit and Flint are extremely dangerous. What is the difference, you ask? Black people. There are none in my home county.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:11 pm to buckeye_vol
sweet
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:12 pm to NIH
quote:I think there are a lot more factors that are in play in regards to Detroit. It's a decaying city and the quintessential rust belt city with less than ideal weather, high taxes, etc.
I'd imagine Detroit is about as affordable as possible in relation to every other major city in America
The difference is the crime
Crime plays a role, but there are many factors that have led to its demise too.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:13 pm to buckeye_vol
We are not discussing Detroit's demise
This thread is about violent crime.
This thread is about violent crime.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:14 pm to NIH
But I do think racial demographics and their corresponding cultures play a role.
I just don't think that negates poverty ad a factor as well.
I just don't think that negates poverty ad a factor as well.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:14 pm to slackster
It's all excuses. Opportunity is there for all Americans, you just have to reach up and grab it. Crime is a choice.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:15 pm to buckeye_vol
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there are many factors that have led to its demise too.
Factors ranking for demise of Detroit:
1) 1967 riots/Democratic takeover
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2) industry departure
3) cold weather
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:15 pm to NIH
quote:But those aren't mutually exclusive.
We are not discussing Detroit's demise
This thread is about violent crime.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:16 pm to buckeye_vol
Both of those topics coincide with one demographic taking an 80% stranglehold on the city.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:17 pm to Undertow
quote:I think the self-handicapping (no opportunity) narrative is problematic, but I don't think we should argue that circumstances don't play a factor at all.
Opportunity is there for all Americans, you just have to reach up and grab it.
There is a middle ground that people like to ignore.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:19 pm to NIH
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There are plenty of gangs in San Antonio or El Paso.
I was referring to the rural impoverished areas that the poster I was responding to referenced.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:19 pm to buckeye_vol
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There is a middle ground that people like to ignore.
No. Democrats have been promoting our "ignorance" about this for the last 50 years; nothing has changed (and in fact, things have gotten worse) for democrat-run cities with majority black populations.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:21 pm to NIH
quote:And those that have stayed, regardless of racial demographics, probably either thrive on crime and chaos (the problems) or are truly stuck (or believe they are) due to economic hardships.
Both of those topics coincide with one demographic taking an 80% stranglehold on the city.
I guess I'm not sure what we're arguing now. I agree with your argument to a degree, but don't think you can discount poverty as a contributing risk factor in and of itself.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:22 pm to PoundFoolish
quote:Sure, but I don't think this justifies an unreasonable argument in the complete other direction.
No. Democrats have been promoting our "ignorance" about this for the last 50 years;
quote:Meh. Things aren't as bad as they were 20-30 years ago.
and in fact, things have gotten worse)
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:23 pm to buckeye_vol
Sure, there are a few dozen. And most of them are mixed.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:24 pm to PoundFoolish
quote:
American Indian women are 10 times as likely to be murdered than other Americans.
ever spent a large amount of time around them?
you'd understand then, most of those murders were likely self defense. They love drama.
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