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The Myth of Drug Expiration Dates - and what the FDA has known for years
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:17 pm
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'Hospitals and pharmacies are required to toss expired drugs, no matter how expensive or vital. Meanwhile the FDA has long known that many remain safe and potent for years longer. '
A few years ago an endodontist gave me antibiotics for a tooth issue. She told me that, even if I don't use all of them, I should hold on to them because they are good beyond the so-called expiration date. They may be slightly less potent but they would still do the job. It appears that she really knew what she was talking about. Read, ponder, don't toss expensive meds!
'Hospitals and pharmacies are required to toss expired drugs, no matter how expensive or vital. Meanwhile the FDA has long known that many remain safe and potent for years longer. '
A few years ago an endodontist gave me antibiotics for a tooth issue. She told me that, even if I don't use all of them, I should hold on to them because they are good beyond the so-called expiration date. They may be slightly less potent but they would still do the job. It appears that she really knew what she was talking about. Read, ponder, don't toss expensive meds!
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:22 pm to conservativewifeymom
Thanks for the tip.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:25 pm to conservativewifeymom
Who ever threw away drugs?
I don't think anyone paid attention to that stuff just like the expiration date on bottled water.
I don't think anyone paid attention to that stuff just like the expiration date on bottled water.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:25 pm to conservativewifeymom
quote:I'm sure this is, as always, somewhat of a function of the bureaucratic inefficiencies.
'Hospitals and pharmacies are required to toss expired drugs, no matter how expensive or vital. Meanwhile the FDA has long known that many remain safe and potent for years longer. '
At the same time, I can empathize with the FDA because if they don't err on the side of caution, and something unlikely goes wrong, then they will be blamed.
It's kind of like drinking during pregnancy. We know that one drink is not dangerous, but if the professionals didn't recommend complete abstinence, then somebody is going to blame them when they take it too far.
That being said, the FDA should constantly evaluate these things and adjust accordingly, even if erring on the side of caution.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:27 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Around here there are regular events where one can turn in 'expired' meds instead of throwing them into the toilet or the trash, for example. Never been to one, but I understand they get a lot of meds.
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:32 pm to conservativewifeymom
Do you know what the difference in drugs for aquariums and some other pets is? The answer is: Nothing!
Some of the drugs prepackaged and sold for aquarium use are from those community turn in drives where people dispose of "old and outdated" scripts, as well as pharmacy returns.
Go check out all that stuff in the big chain and large warehouse import pet stores. It's the same stuff, same formulation, yet much longer sell by dates and stuff.
Some of the drugs prepackaged and sold for aquarium use are from those community turn in drives where people dispose of "old and outdated" scripts, as well as pharmacy returns.
Go check out all that stuff in the big chain and large warehouse import pet stores. It's the same stuff, same formulation, yet much longer sell by dates and stuff.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:33 pm to conservativewifeymom
quote:In some cases that can be a big issue. Would you rely on an expired epi pen to save your life?
They may be slightly less potent
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:33 pm to conservativewifeymom
More proof big Pharma is the real issue, not health insurance
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:42 pm to conservativewifeymom
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don't toss expensive meds!
Damn...I toss at least 50 Norco 10/325's a month...JK. I had some kind of skin ointment samples that I used on and off for at least 20 years. Another trick they screw you or try the insurance companies is the little white cups that you use for party's to put nuts, candy whatever in...they use them to put your medication in at the hospital. I forgot their medical term for it, $200.00 (off a little}...see link. Watched a show where all this woman did was help people with ridiculous medical bills. That's the root of the healthcare problems.
Remember those little white cups fast food restaurants give you for free to put ketchup in? In fact there are restaurants giving them away for free in the lobby areas of many hospitals. In the hospital room, however, these are billed as “oral administration fees” and for one patient they totaled $5,000.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 8:41 am
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:58 pm to conservativewifeymom
Pretty sure it's common knowledge that drugs will lose some of their potency after the expiration date but they are still effective.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 12:18 am to PrimeTime Money
Some drugs, may even most drugs (not sure about that) but not all drugs. I rarely toss medication right when it expires. I'm positive nearly all are still effective at least soon after expiration bc I know the FDA builds in a strong window for error.
I don't mess with antibiotics, though.
I don't mess with antibiotics, though.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 12:45 am to mmcgrath
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In some cases that can be a big issue. Would you rely on an expired epi pen to save your life?
Yes, study has shown that epi pens remain perfectly usable more than four years past the expiration date.
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Expiration dates on drugs exist only because they are required by the FDA, they are mostly arbitrary and not based on testing of the drug,
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"FORT DETRICK, MD – Far from expiring in the one to five years stated on their labels, many prescription medications may retain their full potency for 10, 20, even 40 years."
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The Department of Defense ran their own study and from the results made the decision to extend usage of some drugs to 10 years past the manufacturers expiration dates. Suring their study they found medications even 40 years beyond their recommended expiration date still had 90% of their original potency.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 12:53 am
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:09 am to EA6B
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Expiration dates on drugs exist only because they are required by the FDA, they are mostly arbitrary and not based on testing of the drug,
You are an a-hole. Everything you said is completely false. Come at me bro.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:27 am to conservativewifeymom
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A few years ago an endodontist gave me antibiotics for a tooth issue. She told me that, even if I don't use all of them
Why would you not use all of your antibiotics? That's how drug resistant bacteria develop. Then, if you need antibiotics later, to use what's leftover. What if you don't have enough?
That's pretty terrible advice from a medical professional. I understand and agree that expiration dates can be bullshite. But on antibiotics? Use them all, and get another full cycle of treatment of you get sick later on.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 2:36 am
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:53 am to conservativewifeymom
It's insane how many things have 'expiration dates'
Simple medications like aspirin and stuff. It doesn't expire. It may very slightly lose it's potency over time, but it doesn't just hit some magical date and become poison.
A lot of those so called expiration dates are merely ways to get people to buy new shite they don't need. You see them on non-perishable items too, such as children's car seats.
Simple medications like aspirin and stuff. It doesn't expire. It may very slightly lose it's potency over time, but it doesn't just hit some magical date and become poison.
A lot of those so called expiration dates are merely ways to get people to buy new shite they don't need. You see them on non-perishable items too, such as children's car seats.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 4:55 am
Posted on 7/21/17 at 7:09 am to mmcgrath
If you had bothered reading the article, you would know that they DO mention epi pens in there.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 7:11 am to conservativewifeymom
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A few years ago an endodontist gave me antibiotics for a tooth issue. She told me that, even if I don't use all of them,
If you're given a course of antibiotics, you need to use ALL OF THEM.
Otherwise you're just promoting opportunities for abx resistance.
If a healthcare provider told you it was okay not to finish your course of antibiotics....sigh.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 7:12 am to CCTider
I did say it was for a potential tooth infection. Not for strep, not for any other bacterial infection for which you are told to finish the meds. You're not the only genius who knows that you should finish your meds for those, as prescribed!
Posted on 7/21/17 at 7:15 am to conservativewifeymom
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I did say it was for a potential tooth infection.
Key word: infection
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Not for strep, not for any other bacterial infection for which you are told to finish the meds.
You are told to finish the meds for every bacterial infection - that's why it's a course of treatment, not ala carte.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 7:18 am to conservativewifeymom
Same with Epi-pens.
Those are controversial now due to the pricing. They have an expiration date as well.
The epi is always good. Don't throw away.
Those are controversial now due to the pricing. They have an expiration date as well.
The epi is always good. Don't throw away.
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