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re: The Media Is Starting To Turn on the Responding Law Enforcement Officers

Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:01 pm to
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99192 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:01 pm to
I’m sure the cops weren’t sitting around doing nothing. Some of them were probably checking the parents’ vehicles for expired registrations so they could write a ticket.
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
9207 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:05 pm to
Police are not trained to rush stupidly into a barricaded shooter situation and they have no obligation to do so.

They had to secure the scene, evacuate who they could, assess the number and location of shooters and get and Special Response Yeam out.

If the shooter engages or gets out in the open they engage.

Engaging a barricaded shooter with hostages will generally get more people killed.
Posted by Crimsonians
Member since Nov 2019
1586 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:06 pm to
Omg, you will get killed for this, but you are exactly right.
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
9207 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:10 pm to
The kids were in the classroom were shot essentially immediately after it started and he entered the room.

At the time parents gathered, police it was over. There was no one to save. Only could have gotten more killed.

This was a small town police force, not a military base.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13351 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:13 pm to
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I’m sure the cops weren’t sitting around doing nothing. Some of them were probably checking the parents’ vehicles for expired registrations so they could write a ticket.


I'm seeing in other threads that they were actively preventing people from going in there and doing something about the situation.

I'm generally a pro-police person, but have no problem thinking and saying that they should be punished and prosecuted when they abuse their authority, violate constitutional rights, or shirk their responsibility as appears happened here, and before in Parkland.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111565 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

They had to secure the scene, evacuate who they could, assess the number and location of shooters and get and Special Response Yeam out.


This is not the recommended protocol for mass shootings. It may be your department’s protocol.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111565 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:14 pm to
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At the time parents gathered, police it was over. There was no one to save. Only could have gotten more killed.


When was the last shot fired by the shooter?
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12460 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:15 pm to
The kids were in the classroom were shot essentially immediately after it started and he entered the room.

At the time parents gathered, police it was over. There was no one to save. Only could have gotten more killed.

So the kids bleeding out on the floor for an hour and a half weren't worth going in for? Time mattered.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13351 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

Engaging a barricaded shooter with hostages will generally get more people killed.



Well that policy worked so well here, and in Parkland before that, didn't it? How did law enforcement not learn anything from Parkland?
Posted by Crimsonians
Member since Nov 2019
1586 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:15 pm to
Not sure what force you are talking about, but it is for most.

Now this scenario is different because they were chasing the subject. They knew the situation.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57357 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:16 pm to
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They had to secure the scene, evacuate who they could, assess the number and location of shooters and get and Special Response Yeam out.
The equivalent of LA-DOT doing a "study" for the Baton Rouge loop. Trust government™

ETA: sorry, that's a bit unfair, but even the possiblity that mroe could have been done is frustrating.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 4:18 pm
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
22953 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:18 pm to
quote:

When was the last shot fired by the shooter?


We dont know. Do you know?
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82023 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:19 pm to
These cops are pussies and should be fired without pension at a bare minimum.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15492 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:23 pm to
If you’re really stupid or a liberal looking to blame anyone instead of the shooter you’ll blame the cops.

Lot of stupid in this thread.

Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71529 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:24 pm to
I blame the community and school.

Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32105 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:25 pm to
There is much to criticize in this case.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33510 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:25 pm to
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The same people yelling about police incompetence... telling us we all need give up our firearms.
And the same people yelling about not giving up their firearms, clamoring to hire tens of thousands more incompetent police at schools.

The answer is simple: nothing needs to "be done".
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5640 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:26 pm to
Spicy one from Twitter....





OOF.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57357 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:27 pm to
quote:

The answer is simple: nothing needs to "be done".
I don't disagree one bit. But politician hate that answer. They always want to "do something!" effective or not.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57357 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

Spicy one from Twitter....
Ooof. That's a bit much.
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