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re: The definition of the word "conservative"
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:50 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:50 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Are you Andy Rooney IRL? Didn't you die?
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:55 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
But if you accept the two definitions to be valid, then conservatives look like absolutely horrible people throughout history, and liberals can be thanked for literally every single reform, since the improvement of society necessarily implies change.
If conservatism needs the preservation of the status quo, then nearly every single bad thing that has happened in history has been the result of conservatism.
If conservatism needs the preservation of the status quo, then nearly every single bad thing that has happened in history has been the result of conservatism.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 12:57 am
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:58 am to Tigah in the ATL
fricking idiot- (See Tigah in the ATL)
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:04 am to Yat27
It's about as relevant as this partial definition of liberal
quote:
3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.
4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
Yeah, I almost made a post with those. 
If those are the definitions we're using, I'm one extremely liberal SOB.
If those are the definitions we're using, I'm one extremely liberal SOB.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:09 am to Yat27
I guess "liberals" are severe conservatives when it comes to maintaining the war on poverty, the establishing of charter schools, and government regulation.
But seriously, if all great moments in history involved change, then necessarily conservatives have never done anything great.
But seriously, if all great moments in history involved change, then necessarily conservatives have never done anything great.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:10 am to Yat27
quote:
If those are the definitions we're using, I'm one extremely liberal SOB.
Yeah, never thought I was a liberal. Who knew? Freedom of the individual.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
Well American conservatism fits many of the tenets of classical liberalism (i.e. support of free markets). The Liberal Party IS the conservative party in Australia.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 7:09 am to yumahog
quote:They were. Look up "classical liberal" on Google or Wikipedia.
If that's the case, hell the founding father's would be considered liberals.
The British supporters were conservative.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 7:15 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
you understand that during the french revolution "conservatives" were the ones who wanted to keep the monarchy in france?
Conservative is a relative term and you can't look at different time periods and say that Today's conservatives have this issue because they supported this in 1980, this in 1940, the french conservatives supported this in 1790, etc.
I don't like the terms conservative and liberal that much and this one of those reasons. It is a relative term that changes over time. A libertarian who would be considered very socially liberal but economically conservative were the liberals back in the 70s and 80s.
Look at people's stance on the issues not if the label themselves conservative liberal, progressive, libertarian, etc.
Conservative is a relative term and you can't look at different time periods and say that Today's conservatives have this issue because they supported this in 1980, this in 1940, the french conservatives supported this in 1790, etc.
I don't like the terms conservative and liberal that much and this one of those reasons. It is a relative term that changes over time. A libertarian who would be considered very socially liberal but economically conservative were the liberals back in the 70s and 80s.
Look at people's stance on the issues not if the label themselves conservative liberal, progressive, libertarian, etc.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 7:37 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
If conservatism needs the preservation of the status quo, then nearly every single bad thing that has happened in history has been the result of conservatism
I can get behind this
Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:20 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
The definition is incorrect. I've explained this this many times. Here is a simple illustration:
Let us say that the status quo in the U.S. looked like this:
Marginal income tax rate of 90%.
Middle class income tax rate of 50%
Govt ownership of all energy companies
A person who supports keeping these 3 things in place would be a 'conservative' because they represent the status quo.
A person advocating slashing of income tax rates, shrinking govt and privatization would be a 'liberal' because it represents change.
The 'change' vs. 'status quo' standard left serious political discourse a long time ago.
Let us say that the status quo in the U.S. looked like this:
Marginal income tax rate of 90%.
Middle class income tax rate of 50%
Govt ownership of all energy companies
A person who supports keeping these 3 things in place would be a 'conservative' because they represent the status quo.
A person advocating slashing of income tax rates, shrinking govt and privatization would be a 'liberal' because it represents change.
The 'change' vs. 'status quo' standard left serious political discourse a long time ago.
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