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re: The Conservative Myth of a Social Safety Net Built on Charity
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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once government got out of the way, india is no longer a good example for this. they're churning out upward mobility these days
have you been to india? There are literally people sleeping on the streets. And you know how people beg by big street intersections here? That is everywhere in india.
They definitely have a growing middle class but they also have a shite ton of poor people, with no expectation to leave poverty.
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:32 pm to ironsides
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Let me rephrase this as a question: are you guys for eradicating all forms of government payments to individuals including unemployment insurance (for a limited amount of time), all food stamps, etc., Social security?
Yes!
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:45 pm to Cole Beer
Are any of those statements actually based in fact or are they just BS made up for that particullar article, built upon stereotypes, to sway the opinions of morons like yourself?
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:47 pm to Zach
1: Food stamps. $858 million in abuse.
2: Defense. I think we all agree on that.
3: Research. Not all research is bad, but we fund some nonsense.
4. Disability: We all know about this.
5. Subsidies for ethanol.
6. Subsidies for oil.
7. The TSA.
8. The prison system.
9. The postal service. Don't fund pensions for 50 years.
10. Tax free status for religious organizations.
11. Funding for the arts. I'm OK with some tax breaks, but no actual funding.
So there's a list. I know you love the gotcha game.
2: Defense. I think we all agree on that.
3: Research. Not all research is bad, but we fund some nonsense.
4. Disability: We all know about this.
5. Subsidies for ethanol.
6. Subsidies for oil.
7. The TSA.
8. The prison system.
9. The postal service. Don't fund pensions for 50 years.
10. Tax free status for religious organizations.
11. Funding for the arts. I'm OK with some tax breaks, but no actual funding.
So there's a list. I know you love the gotcha game.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:57 pm to FT
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1: Food stamps. $858 million in abuse.
I agree that food stamps should be eliminated. But your point is merely stopping abuse. That's impossible. It's like Walmart saying that prices will go down this year because there will be no shop lifting. The best way to stop food stamp abuse is TO STOP FOOD STAMPS.
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2: Defense. I think we all agree on that.
Defense has already been cut to the bone under Obama. Would you just like to get rid of the military altogether?
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3: Research. Not all research is bad, but we fund some nonsense.
There is no need for govt sponsored research.
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4. Disability: We all know about this. 5. Subsidies for ethanol. 6. Subsidies for oil. 7. The TSA.
I agree.
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8. The prison system.
Prisoners should be put to work or shot. Very cost effective.
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. The postal service. Don't fund pensions for 50 years. 10. Tax free status for religious organizations. 11. Funding for the arts. I'm OK with some tax breaks, but no actual funding.
I agree.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:00 pm to FT
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10. Tax free status for religious organizations.
You are against separation of church and state?Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:11 pm to Cole Beer
Kindly take a look at the BILLIONS of dollars that have been collected by all of those nasty evil charitable donations from individuals of the "conservative" variety world wide whenever it was needed. Take a really deep look at how much of those funds came from the "Bible thumpers" in America and compare the distribution of funds by them versus government allocation of funds with all of the built-in cost associated with distribution both internally and externally at the sites in need of money. Look no farther than NOLA to view the massive reconstruction unndertakings of NOLA post-Katrina for an eye opening view of the difference between the two sides of the story. What percentage of waste is recordable on the govt. side.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:17 pm to FT
quote:Good list
1: Food stamps. $858 million in abuse.
2: Defense. I think we all agree on that.
3: Research. Not all research is bad, but we fund some nonsense.
4. Disability: We all know about this.
5. Subsidies for ethanol.
6. Subsidies for oil.
7. The TSA.
8. The prison system.
9. The postal service. Don't fund pensions for 50 years.
10. Tax free status for religious organizations.
11. Funding for the arts. I'm OK with some tax breaks, but no actual funding.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:20 pm to Cole Beer
quote:Strawman.
The right yearns for an era when churches and local organizations took care of society's weakest
A poor one at that.
The right yearns for good results.
The left yearns for good intention.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:24 pm to Zach
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Defense has already been cut to the bone under Obama. Would you just like to get rid of the military altogether?
Defense spending in 2009 - $794B
Defense spending in 2014 - $820B
I guess by gutting you mean growing.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:26 pm to Hawkeye95
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This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:37 pm to Hawkeye95
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Defense spending in 2009 - $794B Defense spending in 2014 - $820B
1. Link?
2. What would you like it to be?
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:44 pm to FT
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And we didn't give up sending letters the moment email was created.
quote:yes. No one is going to help their neighbor when a) they are already surrending 30-50% of their income and b) there is "someone else" to do it.
Until charities are able to realistically supplant the work that government does, is it even moderately intelligent to advocate getting rid of all of it?
I keep asking the question: "would you let your neighbor starve, or go without lifesaving surgery". No one wants to answer the question, oddly.
quote:Indeed. It all looks good when you only examine half of the equation. No one ever seems to want to count the hopes and dreams squashed because a middle-income family cannot afford college for their children, or take care of grandma because they are surrendering so much to the federal government.
The article isn't about the abuse you can find in these programs.
quote:Well, what it says it that we don't have the charitable society we'd like to think we have. Forcibly removing income tends to make people LESS generous over time. None of this should be surprising.
It's about charity's inability to solve the problems many think they can.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:54 pm to Zach
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Poor people don't use the Treadmill. That's why poor people are obese.
how can a person provide for that much food intake?
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:54 pm to Cole Beer
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Countrymen, the long experience of our late miseries I hope is sufficient to persuade everyone to a present correction of himself, And think not that either my pains nor the adventurers' purses will ever maintain you in idleness and sloth...
...the greater part must be more industrious, or starve...
You must obey this now for a law, that he that will not work shall not eat (except by sickness he be disabled). For the labors of thirty or forty honest and industrious men shall not be consumed to maintain a hundred and fifty idle loiterers
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:56 pm to FT
Defense & the post office are in the constitution. The rest of what's listed isn't to my knowledge. Of course both could operate much better, but my opinion is you cut everything else on that list first.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:58 pm to catholictigerfan
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how can a person provide for that much food intake?
Food stamps... washed down with a fotey...
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 3/24/14 at 5:00 pm to Zach
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Food stamps
on a more serious note is there actual data that shows what class is more overweight and obese?
Posted on 3/24/14 at 5:01 pm to catholictigerfan
Yes.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 5:04 pm to Cole Beer
One of my favorite liberal conflicts. Provide a social safety net so great it promotes kids and population growth. Then bitch about the environment and global warming primarily caused by a large population.
Get it together Libs!
Get it together Libs!
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